EVE General Discussion

Huh, GTC was selling for something like 750m/60 day two years ago. Current prices are around 880m/60day. That's 130m increase in two years which includes the introduction of Plex as a traded commodity.

The real isk faucet driving Plex prices isn't incursions. It's null sec PI. All that POS fuel isk that use to get sunk out of the economy through NPC purchases are now going to players. Most high sec residents have one account that they pay real money for. On the other hand guys out in Null are using their new passive income to pay for their accounts. If you're unhappy about Plex prices go complain to "our members make 500m/month doing PI" Goonswarm. That's your problem.

Oh and the current Plex market in Jita runs about 1.2 trillion a day. Just plexes. Just in Jita. 1.38 Trillion a day is a drop in the bucket to the EvE economy.

I'm new here, so forgive me if I completely misunderstand the situation, but:

This is similar to how cops defend accusations of abuses of power with "I don't do it, none of my friends do it, therefore it doesn't exist!" By willingly coexisting with bots (My understanding is that most major null alliances have "do not report" rules, at least with regards to their own bots, and possibly "do not report" NAPs), you are complicit in the activity.

Also, forgive the dramatic comparison, I'm not trying to equate botting in a game with beating people up because they looked at you funny :)

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www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIP6EwqMEoE#t=0h0m16s

I understand it is still a lot of ISK for Incursions and potentially game-breaking if something isn't done about it soon. Scaling down the rewards would be nice, and it might not be out of place to have Faction and Concord reduce their response times due to being needed elsewhere. Example: Concord response could take an extra 10 seconds, and Faction Response could drop by 2-3 security levels, meaning that in 0.5-0.6, and possibly even 0.7 systems they would be virtually non-existent.

This has very little to do with PLEX prices however, as I can recall the prices have fluctuated madly since I started playing; though usually not above 500 million ISK for long. Some of that is dependent on ISK being readily available for a short period, as well as PLEX to ISK conversions being used to get ahead in the game increasing supply when it spikes.

Low supply will happen when it's not worth making that conversion, and this will result in an upward trend to prices until it reaches a point where that becomes practical again. That mark is typically around 390-450 million ISK. Obviously we've passed that mark recently and stayed up there; but there are also less subscribers now than previously. I think a lot of the subscribers that went, were either the result of a poor economy, or a combined result of that and bittervets who subbed with PLEX off the market and/or supplied it.

Only CCP knows for sure. I know I don't convert PLEX, even at these rates, because I just can't afford it. There was a time when I did, to help pay for expansion of my old Corp. Not anymore. I got 37 hours over the last 2 weeks, and have to pay rent at about 95% of that cheque. Frankly, I coudn't if I wanted to, and even if it was at or around a Billion ISK per PLEX wouldn't. Also, I don't have anything to support but myself now, and that Corp was surviving quite well and independent of any sort of ISK injections last I saw.

You're comparing apples and oranges; hisec group PvE vs. nullsec solo PvE. The risk involved in nullsec solo PvE is offset by the convenience in that you can go anytime you want. Whereas, if you've tried hisec Incursions, you could be stuck in the channel spamming for a fleet for a small portion of forever. There's good money, sure, but only after you finally get a fleet.

Alternatively, you can get a fleet of friends together to remove the long waiting time. But at that point, why not go out and do nullsec Incursions as the risk has been lowered due to simply having a fleet?



Boo-hoo? Sounds a lot like you want CCP to alter game mechanics so your favorite EVE activity pays for your sub. Is the guy who ships spins all day entitled to a free sub too?

Why shouldn't group PvE be more profitable than solo PvE? Nothing is stopping the former nullbears from doing nullsec Incursions; the deterrence is the risk created by players themselves, not an imbalance of game mechanics. And asking CCP to alter balance because nullsec incursions runners are afraid of getting ganked sounds just like the hisec mission runner asking the same when he gets suicide ganked. Hisec group PvE pays more than hisec solo PvE. The same as nullsec group PvE pays more than nullsec solo PvE.

Also, like bricks have proved recently, its fun to make them squeal. =)

Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field - ~20 billion isk? Only available in Guristas Space? Guristas Space is Null-sec?

Incursion - group of 5-10 people playing together - networking opportunities? - liklihood of a cohesive group forming long-term in-game contacts? liklihood of developing corp relations or merging corps?



The point i'm trying to make is: Null-sec is for excitement, Incursions are for steady isk gain and the likely outcome of making new contacts to ehance the MMO feel.



50/50

just undock my paladin in my npc corp in syndicate and start ratting belts
feels good man

Sorry not even close to 750 Million. My logs from 2 years ago:

07 Feb 2010 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MY MAIN 500,000,000.00 Sold
07 Feb 2010 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MY MAIN 500,000,000.00 Sold
22 Jan 2010 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MY MAIN 510,000,000.00 Sold
13 Jan 2010 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MY MAIN 500,000,000.00 Sold
13 Jan 2010 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MY MAIN 500,000,000.00 Sold
25 Dec 2009 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MY MAIN 510,000,000.00 Sold
25 Dec 2009 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MY MAIN 510,000,000.00 Sold
12 Dec 2009 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MY MAIN 535,000,000.00 Sold
12 Dec 2009 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MY MAIN 540,000,000.00 Sold
27 Nov 2009 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MY MAIN 550,000,000.00 Sold
21 Nov 2009 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MY MAIN 525,000,000.00 Sold
01 Nov 2009 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MY MAIN 550,000,000.00 Sold
07 Oct 2009 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MY MAIN 575,000,000.00 Sold
06 Oct 2009 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MY MAIN 580,000,000.00 Sold
27 Sep 2009 XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX MY MAIN 530,000,000.00 Sold

…except that PI is not an ISK faucet. Highsec PI is an ISK sink, though.

…except that those trades do not add any ISK (quite the opposite), but rather move it around. A single source adding as much ISK as that large trade item rather shows the opposite: that it is a significant injection of ISK into the economy. In addition, if that number is accurate, it far outpaces all other faucets, which would be even mor worrisome when we consider how few players are needed to generate it.

Assuming you have linked the first starement about incurions who have "fewer players" in the second statement that this is the troubleseome faucet you are making claims about.

Do you have any figures to demonstrate that of all the faucets in the game incurions are the main contributor? Especially when you could consider that bounties globally from the game could be considerably more than incurions.

And have you considered that ISK movement in the market can equally change prices without the aspect of ISK injection into the whole economy.

Please provide sufficient evidence to support these claims.