Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You're missing the point. If some large player farming entity war dec'd me - why would I even bother with their structure if I can simply avoid that one system? Your premise makes zero sense in the Eve reality. Players that don't want to fight won't - that's proven every day. Giving them free travel over all of New Eden except one system isn't going to get them to engage. It will allow them to avoid without interrupting their routine. Blockading Niarja w/ a structure means I have to have a hauler alt that can make 1 jump in 2 directions and be able to fly an interceptor (or similar tackle avoiding ship) to bypass the entire war.

Your idea is not good at all.

Q/ Then why are you basing your entire system of defense against larger groups around that?
That's really really bad design. You need to think for the everyday moment, not for the grand finale.[/quote]

A/ Well, those systems will be vunerable at certain times, and likely to be defended, so there is a likelehood of combat. And If people hide all the time, shoot the structure to flush them out? If they will not fight under any circumstances, well they lose a structure.

And here we come to the source of your proposal. Basically you want to see fights between groups of people that actually like wars and actively participate in them, while at the same time making it **** easy to avoid them so that carebears would hardly notice it. All because they don't want to participate in PvP.

This goes directly against what Eve stands for, which is PvP, everywhere, anytime to everyone, whether they want it or not.
You undock, you consent to PvP, you open the market, you consent to PvP.

The reason this game is still popular this day and age is because of this. It's harsh, can't deal with it, then this game is not for you.

I gank mission guys from time to time. It isn't at all fun (I don't know how those CODE ninnies keep at it for so long) but it is crazy profitable.

I PVP in wh space, so there is no need for war decs. Repo Industries is a very old corp 8+ years and it got its start as a HS mercenary corp. We left that part of Eve for several reasons, but on of the bigger ones was that they changed the mechanics to the current player farming hoo haw and it sucked (for us) enough to leave it all behind. I don't actually log in currently because I find the current version of the game uninteresting overall (it's getting to nicey nice for my taste).

I think the current mechanics are horrible for several reasons.
1. Player farming is dumb, uninteresting and possibly less challenging than ganking a loots heavy mission creampuff.
2. Inter corporation wars should be a means for 2 parties with a disagreement (however small, large, made up or whatever) to settle said disagreement through the loving exchange of ammunition. I feel that currently it is impossible to do that without some non-angry, non-involved 3rd party either piggybacking in via the assist mechanic (ugh) or paying their way in w/ the ultra cheap war dec fees.
3. Current mechanics make it a PITA for a 'for reals' merc corp to do contracts only and make a decent living in HS.
4. HS war decs aren't fun from any angle I can see.
5. 100+ war decs by a single corp guarantees that the wars have no meaning. It's just farming.
6. Neutral logistics - get rid of it or make the timer permanent.
7. Tora won't quit posting his meaningless HS player farming kb stats every chance he gets.


The sum total of all of these things that I know or feel plus my many years of Eve experience in almost all facets of the game tell me your idea will not make empire war decs fun, meaningful or interesting = bad idea.

I agree with points 1-7 I too am in an almost identical position and can relate to every point. Wardecs are simply a complete joke, this system however, If you think it through, step by step and look for opportunities, actually gives them, not perfectly, but it makes fights possible, reasonable, and quite likely to happen, but absolutely not always. The HS wardeccers will absolutely loath it and spit venom out of their eyeballs, because the one thing it will not give them is the ability to farm seriously unwilling individuals who are willing to pay the price for that decision.

I think you're failing to listen to everyone that is responding to your idea with credible feedback. Your idea would completely invalidate the war dec process - not fix it or make it better.

I'm not going to deny who I am or what I do in Eve. Yes, I'm a highsec wardeccer, and yes, I go for soft targets such as carebears, miners, PvE corporations. It's how I make my money in Eve online. Sure, it interferes with the gameplay of others, but that's the idea behind Eve Online.

However, I fight outnumbered, all the time. Should the enemy corporation organize, they outnumber me by a factor of 30-1 most of the time. I have been forced to retreat at times. But that also means that I work for my kills. I don't just sit on a hub or a gate all the time and wait for stuff to come to me. I use a combination of spies, locators and alts to find and hunt down targets. It takes a certain amount of effort.

Now, take a look at my proposal that I posted.
It gives people incentives to do certain things, but it doesn't force anyone into doing anything.

It gives corporations (and not just wardeccers or mercs)a reason to fight over resources that can actually provide them with a tangible boost. But they don't HAVE to.
It gives people an incentive to stick together in a group, but doesn't force people to stay there.
It encourages people to form smaller groups, but you can group up if you so choose, there will just be bigger costs involved.
It also gives people the opportunity of applying different styles of fighting. They can go for the all-in overwhelming power, but you can also fight a war of attrition, a guerilla war where you apply hit and run tactics, etc... You're not limited to one single thing.

That is why I don't like your proposal. It forces everyone into a niche, provides nothing else in return and makes it even more laughably easy to evade a war if you're so inclined.

Yes, it would mean the end of the current war process, that's logical.
But it would NOT allow any interdiction of enemies, at all, period. Evading people in highsec is hilariously easy, limit combat to one system (or a few, doesn't matter)? Well, you just made interdiction nigh on impossible.
Removing strucures from Highsec, yes, that's true, but any war mechanic does that.
But it won't remove access to prime mining (or mission) systems, at all. All you need is either an alt corp, or just drop corp completely.
It won't generate a lot of fights either, in fact, you'll even see a decrease in the number of fights most likely.
RvB is a different beast altogether
Making it easier to find fights, yes, but there are better ways to do it.
Balancing is something that has no real place in Eve. There is no such thing as a fair fight. People will generally only deploy if they are sure they can win (this is true even in low/nullsec)
Attackers always risk loss of assets, their ships. Involving a structure just makes it that much more annoying to wardec.
Increasing risk is complete horse excrement, for reasons stated before.
Removal of the effortless farming of the weak and vulnerable. Why? This is Eve. It will gobble you up and spit you out if you don't learn to adapt and not make yourself a target, or if you don't take care of yourself.

Compare that to my proposal. It gives people incentives, encourages them to do things, but it does not limit them at all.
Yours on the other hand, it's one way, and no other.

Thank you for doing that.
I have looked at your proposal, and I have stated my concerns and why I don't like it.
If anything, your system favours the defender even moreso than the attacker due to the ease of evasion.
Forcing people into things is also a negative point on that aspect. Your system is extremely restrictive and harsh in terms of rules and people that can actually engage in it. You want to keep it as open as possible to allow for emergent gameplay.

That's why, as a wardeccer, I created my proposal in such a way that both groups get an equal advantage out of it. Thinking of positive things for both sides.

It gives incentives, but doesn't force. It gives people actual reasons to fight and engage in conflict.

I disagree on that. Due to the fact that you restrict wars to corporations with structures, you restrict the location of said wars, and by doing so, you also restrict the tactics that can be used.

Then you're stuck with the question as to why a corporation should be a "big boy" before they can start wardeccing people.
That would be the same as saying to a rookie pilot that he can't join Horde or Brave Newbies because he can't fly a battleship or use tech 2 guns.

Some of the most fun I had was fighting in highsec as a new pilot, barely scraping by to afford wardec costs (they cost 2 mil back in the day). I literally could hardly afford to run more than one dec at a time back then. But I had fun with heaps, just flying a Rifter and killing people.