Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hey,

I noticed on the stream today that you mentioned for the anti-headshot-ships that you're aware that they want to get on killmails too. That's great, one of the cool things about eve is that your actions have permanent consequences and one of those is that you can track your progress on killboards.

Logi have a similar problem. I'm aware that you can't give them more slots or fitting room because that would simply be used for better tank / ECCM / more cap. So we use drones, which is fine for small fights.
In larger fights drones have a few disadvantages: The distances are bigger so the targets are often either outside of drone control range or the drones don't get there in time. Or they get smartbombed or die to PDS of a citadel.
So you can use sentry drones. The problem with those is that you often have to leave them behind and when you fight somewhere else you don't have any of them left, because only the Oneiros (and Exequror) has the room to carry two of them in its drone bay.

So my suggestion is to increase the drone bay on logistic ships (to maybe 100m³) and increase the drone control range (by 25km or so). Maybe reduce the damage and EWar effectiveness of the drones by 20% or so to compensate, if you're worried that the logistics ships get too much versatility with that. I'm not really worried about logistics drones, I don't see them used very often outside of the alliance tournament. (And if they have the time to travel 80km to a target that needs repairs then they're probably not needed that desperately anyway)

What do you mean stop caring about stats? Are we playing the same game? One third of the dev blogs are just graph porn (which is great!)...

Also for recruitment people take killboard stats into account too, you know?

Logi drones are powerful in small scale fights. An exec or scythe get an additional large repper from drones. Clearing them is significant (come on drone squads).

Logi on kill mails is nice, but not this way. Killboard stats aren't THAT important.

Stupid people do, yes.

I play for fun, why do you play? Stats have nothing to do with it. IMO killboards should go away completely. All they do is keep risk averse people from yolo-ing into a fight they might lose (which are some of the best fights in the game)

My opinion has long been that logi should show on killmails of friendlies. That means almost no mechanics changes are necessary and logi doens't need any sort of rebalancing - and rather than getting on red KMs, you show on blues. KMs would therefore not show as regular killmails on zKill and such probably but perhaps in another color (say, purple or something) indicating that you performed logistic support rather than applying damage to those friendly ships.

This would allow you to see really active logi pilots from their KB and distinguish them from people who are mostly flying DPS ships. It also means logi pilots can use logi drones, which is what you should be doing anyways rather than whoring on KMs with your drone bay.

What kind of ****** ass NPC corp are you in to have your killboard looked at?

It's really easy. If you want to be on a killmail, cycle an offensive mod on the target ship before it explode. If you get purged off your corp for fitting guns or EWAR to your logi boat because you care so damn much about padding your killboard with meaningless kills, that your problem.

So, let me recap the arguments a bit sarcastically so far and correct me if I'm wrong:

1.) If logi had more dronebay they'd be overpowered because repdrones, and you can see how everyone uses repdrones in the logi killmails. That is also why everyone is flying Oneiros, because they can field medium repdrones and the Guardian can only field small ones, so nobody uses Guardians.
2.) If logi appeared on the killboard then everyone would want to fly logi and that would be bad.
3.) If you look at killboards you are WRONG! They are not to be looked at! Shame!
4.) If you want a permanent proof / reminder, that you were in a certain battle you are wrong too.

That recruitment thing was just a wild guess tbh, I've been more or less flying with the same group of people since 2012, so I wouldn't know...
So instead, here's a real example of something we had a while ago in our corp: The player with the most kills in a month got a battlecruiser of their choice with a (reasonably inexpensive) fitting. We got rid of that because people wanted to fly logi even less then. And it would be way too tedious to count the kills a fleet got for every fleetop in a month, check who was flying logi there and add the kills they didn't get on to their numbers. And I am aware that one meager battlecruiser isn't much and people shouldn't worry about it so much but it was a fun contest. Sorry for having fun, it won't happen again.

Another thing is... I get the vibe that you just don't want things to be changed, am I correct in that assumption?
Assuming that currently the game had logi with 50m³ drone bay and 80km drone control range and -20% drone damage and EWAR and someone suggested to remove that.. would you want that removed? Or would you be the guys shouting:
- "That's stupid, so in a 3way fight where your side currently isn't under attack, what would the logi do?"
- "There is no reason to remove that, let logi get on KMs if they want to"
- "There are ways to get rid of logi drones and if the logi are constantly busy recalling and redeploying drones they're probably not repping the primary"

Because so far you haven't given me many arguments against that change, you just argued against WANTING that change.

Why do you care about killboards in the first place? What do they add to the game? Do they get you better fights?

Honestly, I don't know why people spend 40 minutes in a frigate to get a single shot on a titan. That's just sad. Killboards keep decent fights from happening, the game would be better without them.

So again, why do YOU care about killboards? How do they make for a more fun fight? They just lead to carebear alliances making rules that keep people from joining fights unless they know they can win. No thanks.

Either way, if you want to rely on killboards it looks like you've not been in a fight yet in EVE, so what do you know about them? (or you know, post with your main)