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Strategic Cruisers .... Loki Vs The Tengu

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sycore101
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-01-22 19:55:23 UTC
So i've just trained up for the loki, geting ready for a fit & everything else spend loadsa ISK etc.

So then i'm talking to my mate in corp asking regular stuff shield or armour tank, & out of the blue he just says well maybe you just train for a Tengu instead.

So what i'm asking is ... what is the big bonus of the Tengu over the Loki ... i have well trainned projectile skills plus shielding. So i'm wondering if my corp mate ain't taking this into account or if the great rumours are true & Tengus are the dog's bollox as we like to say.


Mucho Gracia's People
Spineker
#2 - 2012-01-22 19:58:36 UTC
What are you doing with the T3?
sycore101
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-01-22 20:02:20 UTC
fly it about & shoot stuff .. fleet with reppers if you get me .. don't wanna say too much as i know people would love to come blow it out of the sky/space

So yeah fleet with reppers
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#4 - 2012-01-22 20:43:07 UTC
1) Nobody Cares about you. Plenty of people fly shinies, so nobody's trolling the forums to gank yours.
2) If you don't tell people your goals for a ship or fit, there's no way someone can help you.

Both the Tengu and Loki are great PvP ships. They're very different.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
sycore101
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-01-22 20:56:37 UTC
Well, well, well, RubyPorto .... Not exactly what i had in mind for an answer .. but then again i am in a forum based on the intelligance of 5 year olds ... Well here's some news for ya "My Gangs Bigger Than Your Gang"


OK jokes aside, apart from the sub-systems i can't see any way either of them would be better than the other .. only in skills trainned.

But all i hear is tengu, tengu, tengu .. is there a big difference i'm missing out here.

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#6 - 2012-01-22 21:00:32 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
There are huge differences. But we can't give meaningful advice without knowing what you're going to use it for.

"Flying around Shooting stuff" is 100% of what people do in eve. You want coherent advice on what ship to use, we need:

1) Where ya flyin (Hi,Low,Null,WH)?
2) What stuff ya shootin' (Blinky Squares or Blinky Crosses)
3) Who ya with



sycore101 wrote:

OK jokes aside, apart from the sub-systems i can't see any way either of them would be better than the other .. only in skills trainned.



It's a T3. The Subsystems are the ship. "Well, apart from the ship's bonuses, I don't see what the differences are between ships"

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-01-22 21:30:57 UTC
tengu good stuff:
missiles hit at any range
makes 100mn ab fits very viable
can have great shield tank, active, passive or buffer
can look pretty

loki good stuff:
can be armor or shield
can do very nice dmg
massive web range

both can be covert and still pack a fair punch. both can overheat very well, both can absorb damage rather well
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2012-01-22 23:40:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Substantia Nigra
Hathrul is spot-on, but op can't see difference so all that is prolly lost on him.

If you can't see difference then you may as well stick with Loki. Mebbe one day you will be able to see a difference.

Me? Agree with hathrul - and use Tengu for most pve combat (can tank c4 sites solo), Loki for my fail efforts at pvp, Loki for nullsec taxi / small-hauler, loki as scannership, loki as incursion shiney webber, and either as fleet booster depending on w hat I want to boost.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Varnoka
Cajun Consolidated
#9 - 2012-01-23 18:48:32 UTC
If OP can't see the difference between them, then he is better off not flying a damned T3 period. He isn't ready for it.
Zeb Rain
DPS-K
#10 - 2012-01-23 18:58:48 UTC
I notice alot of loki / Tengu gang boosters on the KB or use of in many a pvp vid. What im wondering is, does one have ability over the other.


TL,DR. A. I too want a funky lolsolo gang booster for ex. a 100AB active Tengu.
B. I too want a funky lolsolo gang booster for ex. a MWD fit armour loki avec webs.


which T3 is the better booster?
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-01-23 19:39:22 UTC
Hathrul wrote:
tengu good stuff:
missiles hit at any range
makes 100mn ab fits very viable
can have great shield tank, active, passive or buffer
can look pretty

loki good stuff:
can be armor or shield
can do very nice dmg
massive web range
only T3 that can sport 7 weapon slots

both can be covert and still pack a fair punch. both can overheat very well, both can absorb damage rather well


fyp.

altho, to be quite honest, it being able to pack 7 weapons isn't something that amazing since the 7th weapon slot will either be a launcher or a turret (if you fit the mixed weapon sub).

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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#12 - 2012-01-23 19:43:38 UTC
Zeb Rain wrote:
I notice alot of loki / Tengu gang boosters on the KB or use of in many a pvp vid. What im wondering is, does one have ability over the other.


TL,DR. A. I too want a funky lolsolo gang booster for ex. a 100AB active Tengu.
B. I too want a funky lolsolo gang booster for ex. a MWD fit armour loki avec webs.


which T3 is the better booster?


Due to the horrific agility associated with any 100mn ship you're definitely going to want to use a Loki. Furthermore, 3/4s of your tank consists of you staying the hell away from the enemy and raining down missiles from range with a domi point.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Captain Nares
O3 Corporation
#13 - 2012-01-23 19:46:01 UTC
sycore101 wrote:
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#1 difference is weapons. HML vs AC/Arty. Other characteristics are similar.
sycore101
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-01-24 14:16:11 UTC
Ahhh watch out OP about to post agian ... well it takes a bit of reading to trust some of your post so i was better to leave the thread for a bit.


So Yeah you call it a nice shinny boost repping fleet shield / armour tanking T3, which helps a lot, it gives some insight to what i wanna use it for.

The stuff about running lone C4 sites helps, but as you say it's better design as a shield repper ship, & saying that i remember seeing it as a bonus somewhere in the sub-systems.

I guess i just wanted a head start on where to place myself in the fleet, if i can findeth right time to flag down the fleet bosses, maybe try & get some good intel on what would be needed, where & when.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-01-24 14:53:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
sycore101 wrote:
So i've just trained up for the loki, geting ready for a fit & everything else spend loadsa ISK etc.

So then i'm talking to my mate in corp asking regular stuff shield or armour tank, & out of the blue he just says well maybe you just train for a Tengu instead.

So what i'm asking is ... what is the big bonus of the Tengu over the Loki ... i have well trainned projectile skills plus shielding. So i'm wondering if my corp mate ain't taking this into account or if the great rumours are true & Tengus are the dog's bollox as we like to say.


Mucho Gracia's People


The "ONLY" big difference between the Tengu and every other T3 is that Tengu is the only real versatile strategic cruiser as they were intended to be at the first place.

So Tengu is NOT overpowered with his 850 pve dps and believe me you DON'T want to pvp with that one.

And Tengu is NOT overpowered with his pvp 500ish dps and 100AB fit

Alsot Tengu is NOT overpowered with 600ish pvp buffer fit

Even LESS overpowered for exploration but as every T3 command bonus are what they are and Imho should be completely removed from T3's abilitys withc as you see is not related to Tengu only.

So if there's something people forget to talk about is:

Tengu is so overpowered those same people telling this are , for some, the same trolls telling it's easy to have warp ins to 0 with blaster boats.
So let's make it simple, they're just too stupid to find warp ins for Canes that would shred those Tengus apart.

Short story: Legion, Proteus, Loki are in need of some close looking at and bring them to their full potential like Tengu

Also: TAKE AWAY THE DAM COMMAND SUB FROM T3'S and make a real better one for exploration with more slots/interesting bonus

-I'm training for each and every single T3 in game and atm the single one I still don't have is Legion but to be honest I'm not in hurry to have it since my Prot is already awful outside his very small crappy niche, but I will have it for sure.
Now all I can say is Tengu and Loki <3