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Since my previous loan request didn't go through (promises were made, but no real action from the lender's part), I'd like to make an open request.

I've made this alt to dualbox Rattlesnakes in C3s/C4s (currently sitting on 5 million SP and a Rattle hull ready).
My main is in a wormhole corp with a C3 static, large active playerbase during my time of play. The risk of getting ganked is quite minimal with the precautions we take.
Using a single toon in a single Rattler without hole bonuses I can achieve 200-250m isk / hour, training this guy up i'm hoping for a bit more than that (considering i'll be able to run c4 sites + c3 relic/data sites).
I'd need about ~5 more injectors to turn this guy into a Rattler pilot I'd be satisfied with, but I could make do with meta 4 rapid heavies/faction heavy drones in the meantime, but I'd need the gal/cal battleship skills + some shield skills a bit higher to sustain the DPS of the sites i'm looking to run.
I'm looking to speed up the training process, I can buy injectors in-corp for 600m. I'm looking for a loan of 1.2B-1.8b for starters, I should be able to repay you within 2-3 weekends (that's when I have time to play).

I'm looking for an uncollaterized loan, I don't have assets of that value besides the rattles which I'll be using.

Message me if you are interested, interest % is negotiable.

Limited play time, I'd like to minimize the amount of time I spend ratting in the long run, plus maximize what I earn during the time I do rat.

Edit: Basically, I don't want to spend 5+ hours shooting rats at sub-optimal isk/hour when I could pay a little extra on a loan and earn an additional 100m/hour right after the loan arrives.

I've only been in corp for a few months, I don't want to appear needy / make a bad impression. I'd rather have an outside loan.
Also, we've recently fended off an eviction attempt, so everyone's wallets are a bit thin.

Some offers have rolled in in the meantime, I'm waiting on a few more offers then I'll go with the most reasonable.

My fits are quite cheap, with the dualbox isk/hour I approximated i can make the price of a single Rattler back in 2-3 hours.
Even if I lose 1 Rattler (you have to be really bad to lose 2), I can farm back the cost of the other ship which would only mean a minor delay to my investor.
Cheaper Rattlers mean higher SP investment to achieve similar results to an expensive one, which is why I'm dumping isk into skill injectors rather than on modules. You can lose your expensive modules during a gank, but you can't lose SP (unless T3C, you know what i mean though).
I have 2 Rattlesnakes ready to go, I just need the SP on this toon to not die to the NPCs when they target it.
We don't really get ganked, we are the ones ganking people. It's easy to know what to do to avoid that when it's what you do yourself on a regular basis, and see what it is that foils ganks in the first place. (By ganking I don't mean "CODE blowing up Ventures" style of ganking, obviously) We also scan our chain out properly, it's a bit different than being a daytripper.

I hope my answer was sufficient.

If I have 3-5-5 hours to play (fri-sat-sun), and i rat 7-8, i'd rather be making 350m-400m isk/hour (minus warp times, hole rolling, hole quality) than 200-250m isk/hour (minus same stuff), even if it means I'll have to fork interest over to someone 1 month from now.

I don't get why you want me to bend over backwards for assurances and failsafes. My assurance and failsafe is staying safe in the first place, and how even if things go wrong I'm at worst down only one Rattlesnake.
The average ganking situation would be a 10-20 man rescue fleet bailing me out in the next 3 minutes, and if that isn't something backing me up i'm not ratting in the first place (rare occourence). Breaking Rattlers is hard, there's ample time for the cavalry to arrive.
And having proper hole control during bearing means that I know well before **** goes down that something is coming my way.

Also, in my first post I expressed that I'm looking for offers where you explain your terms, and I'll choose the most favourable.

And you got them. :)

I hope you can understand that from an investor's perspective, being told that your plan is "staying safe in the first place" isn't reassuring at all. That's the plan for every PvE'er, explorer, miner and hauler - But sometimes Bob has other plans.

You've also mentioned your plan is to dual-box. AKA - both Rattlesnakes will be in space running missions at the same time. How can you guarantee you would only lose one? Answer - you can't. You can speculate that it is very unlikely that you would lose both, but you can't guarantee it. And if you lose both, you lose your ability to pay back your loan.

You also mentioned your corp just fought off an eviction attempt and as a result everyone's wallets are thin. Sounds like the eviction attempt hit the corp hard (not symbolic of a permanent fixture). If your corp does get evicted, how do you make ISK to pay back your loan?

You say you've received some offers in game. I would suggest you take one of them because I can't see anyone who frequents these forums wanting to get involved in this. But, I've been wrong before. Good luck!

I don't. Your explanation of wormhole space details how it's very unlikely to lose one (if your corp is competent) but it doesn't, at all, address the issue that if you _do_ lose one there is no particular reason why you shouldn't lose the other at the same time.



Of course you do. I'll bet any number of MD regulars will be posting in here about how this seemed like an excellent deal and they offered. Any day now.

Which also means that you can only rat and PVE once you have a sufficient number of friends online who have dedicated scouts/scanner alts that are constantly scanning when a new anom pops up. And no one is going to do that for a corp mate unless they either get a cut or are PVE-ing themselves, which begs the question of why you cant run anoms with your corpmates and make isk perfectly optimally, that way.

And no, as a person who is currently in an active WH corp, Rolling takes a fleet, because no one wants to sacrifice a raven or HIC or whatever you use to roll the WH with, without sufficient backup.

So youre basically telling us that you have a whole fleet that just stands there on standby just so you can PVE. So what, theyre just sitting there, staring at the screen all day while you go out and make ISK? How laughably unbelievable that is.

What we do, is we constantly check Dscan. Thats it. Sure, everyones on comms on the off-chance that someone gets dropped on, but we dont have dedicated scouts and scanners who are just looking at the hole just so that we can PVE, because thats a waste of everyones time. The only time we have a dedicated scan/scout is if were actively looking for fights.

Everything you say is so unbelievable, from someone who is actually living in a WH.

But thats not even the most laughable part of your story.



This is.

I have maybe 3 billion isk on this char right now, and about 12 billion isk on my char that is in a WH corp. But even on a bad day of defending our citadel, i still only lose around 1-2 billion isk, which is easily replaceable by me(our standard doctrine is Legions, maybe ill lose 2 and thats only around 1.4 bill total). And im considered one of the poorest corpmate in our corp.

How incompetent does your corp have to be to become completely drained as to not be able to afford a mere 1.2 billion isk after a defense? Did you guys throw wave after wave of shitfit shiny bhaalgorns at your enemies or something? Its baffling to hear that your corp, after a single defense, has grown so poor that no one can loan you 1.2 billion isk.

The more likely explanation is that either your corpmates dont trust you enough to lend you the isk, or you are simply just trying to scam.

Scout alts. Proper fleet/proper logi on both sides, expensive. Teaming up halves isk/hour. We are also a lot bigger than your corp is.

I was going to write a proper reply but you seem too hostile for me to waste text on.

I also need more injectors than what the loan is for, I'm putting my own time into it as well obviously.