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About subcription, PLEX and about EVE's appeal

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Tian Toralen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2017-04-08 12:52:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Tian Toralen
A few presumptions:

- Players who train more than one character at one time are what I define as "hardcore players", not "new players" or "casual players". I presume the majority of these players (CCP sure knows the percentage) buy PLEX in game using ISK to pay for their accounts. EVE is hard with only one account, with 2 accounts (or simultaneous game windows open), EVE is a different game. A simple example: if you play with 2 EVE windows open, no gate camp can catch your expensive ship, if you use one account for scouting. It is a different game.
These players are veteran players, with billions of ISK and a multitude of ways to make ISK, so - using ISK for PLEX, and having multiple accounts is a simple and a natural choice. I also presume that the number of these hardcore veterans is dwindling.

- I presume that most of the players who buy PLEX with $ or pay their subscription with $ are new players, (less than 2 years old). The combined factors of: paying for the game with $, and the fact they find the game hard (without a good corporation this game is both hard and boring at the same time), makes them quit the game. If they realize the advantages of dual character training, and/or the advantages or playing with 2 EVE windows open - they have to pay more $, until they become veterans and are able to use ISK for PLEX. If they make it that far.

The current system punishes and restricts new players, while the majority of veteran players can just use ISK and this also does not support CCP.

What I propose:
- If a player pays for his subscription with $, he can train and play with three characters at the same time. (EVE is unique in this, imagine having to pay 14$ for each Wow character you play with...). This will encourage and lure in new players (the majority of players that pay $ for subscription). They will get to try various aspects of the game at the same time, and the game will not seem so hard. This will also help CCP - more $ for them, instead of ISK for PLEX.

PLEX prices would drop to 1/3 (real money prices and ISK prices), this is solved by:
You may think that players (including new players) will prefer to pay a third of a subscription price to play with only one character, and this will be bad for CCP.
Problem solved: 2 types of PLEX: There will be a PLEX that can be bought for a full subscription price from CCP, that can be used for one account with 3 characters training, or sold in game for ISK, and another kind of PLEX (PLEX2) that can be bought for 1/3 price from CCP. This PLEX2 can be used for 1 single character training on one account, only if you already have another "full account" paid for (with PLEX1 brought for ISK in game, or by paid subscription).

So - veteran billionaire players will still be able to get PLEX for ISK as they do now, and new players will have more opportunities, fun, and reasons to pay for the game with $ instead of struggling to get to a point where they can use ISK (with only one character), then they quit. And more $ for CCP.

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If you think CCP would lose if they apply this idea, I support even a requirement to pay for the game only with $ and not with PLEX - getting 3 training characters for one subscription, and PLEX to be used only for training additional characters (beyond one account with 3). Of course this would mean only one type of PLEX - PLEX2 at 1 third of the price of today. EVE with three characters would be much more appealing, even if I could not use ISK to pay for it, for myself and new players also.
Maria Dragoon
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2017-04-08 16:54:24 UTC
I read, reread, an read again.....are you saying all vets don't pay for their sub an only new players do? Are you saying because of this ccp is losing money?

If so I will have to inform you that this is incorrect..... A plex is only generated when someone pays real cash for it..... Which cost more then a sub....which means if everyone plex they make more money.

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2017-04-08 16:58:17 UTC
Adding to that, I'm a vet and two of my three current omega accounts are subscribed...
Bjorn Tyrson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2017-04-08 18:29:25 UTC
Adding even more to it, quite a few vets DO buy plex with cash. no matter how advanced you get, or how many accounts you have. the best isk/hr will ALWAYS come from plex. and quite a lot of vets have been playing long enough that spending 20 bucks to get a billion isk to throw away on roams etc is worth WAY MORE than spending the ~10 hrs it would take to grind that amount.
or to get that quick isk injection for something they want to buy etc.

even I will buy plex from time to time to give my industry a bit of a boost, buy bpo's etc. yes I could spend that money to sub one of my accounts for a few months, and would probably end up with more isk at the end of it. but then I need to sub an account, cancel that sub, wait those 2-3 months for the saved isk to stockpile to buy the things I want, keep track of when that sub is going to expire and make sure I have a plex kicking around to switch back over too etc.

it might not be the most efficient, but I'd much rather drop 40 bucks for 2 plex, than 30 bucks for 2 months (and save those plex) and get the isk I need when I need it.
Caleb Seremshur
Commando Guri
Guristas Pirates
#5 - 2017-04-09 00:54:39 UTC
Maria Dragoon wrote:
I read, reread, an read again.....are you saying all vets don't pay for their sub an only new players do? Are you saying because of this ccp is losing money?

If so I will have to inform you that this is incorrect..... A plex is only generated when someone pays real cash for it..... Which cost more then a sub....which means if everyone plex they make more money.


Someone should just make an FAQ with this included as one of the topics. Hundreds of times now OP's fallacious argument has been brought up. It has been debunked every time. If you are buying PLEX for $ then CCP is milking you and profiting from the exchange. Sub time is a relative expense, when factored against a yearly sub they make nearly double the money if the person PLEX's the whole way through.