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[May] CONCORD Aerospace Promotional Ships

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Shikra
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#101 - 2017-04-05 18:23:38 UTC
For people complaining about the wings (nitpicking at this point), aside from the fact that the manufacturer is clearly called CONCORD Aerospace, wings can serve a purpose aside from generating air pressure and thus lift. In Star Wars, the wings of ships are used as heat sinks to bleed excess heat from the weapons and engines, for example. Then there are properties like those seen in Mordu's Legion, where they are loaded with precision electronics systems for combat. and have a sort of radar-deterring form.

More-over, as CONCORD takes its roots from all four empires, I'd say these ships strike a good aesthetic middle ground between the four factions and some of their subsidiaries. Not to mention they look sexy as all hell. The only odd thing/bummer is the drone issue....


I imagine that after their period of exclusivity, these ships will probably be released in some sort of in-game event, and much further down the line, be "candied" out much like what happened to the Gnosis. I could also see them doing it as part of a package deal instead, but given the past trends, I'd say that's highly unlikely - at least not exclusively.


Now for my only imput... CCPlz Give these faction skins like you did with the mining ships! Me needz a rusty Minmatar or shiny gold CONCORD ship in my life. o3o
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#102 - 2017-04-05 18:57:01 UTC
They look nice i would give 7.5% Minmatar dmg bonus to medium and large hulls due to anemic dps numbers they will put out compared to others and without drones it will be obvious.

Argument that minmatar hulls are basically oversized class bellow their current wont work stats are same for all races they will just punch lower without anything to mask that.

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MidnightWyvern
The Bosena Accords
Warclone Initiative
#103 - 2017-04-05 19:02:33 UTC  |  Edited by: MidnightWyvern
Shikra wrote:
For people complaining about the wings (nitpicking at this point), aside from the fact that the manufacturer is clearly called CONCORD Aerospace, wings can serve a purpose aside from generating air pressure and thus lift. In Star Wars, the wings of ships are used as heat sinks to bleed excess heat from the weapons and engines, for example. Then there are properties like those seen in Mordu's Legion, where they are loaded with precision electronics systems for combat. and have a sort of radar-deterring form.

More-over, as CONCORD takes its roots from all four empires, I'd say these ships strike a good aesthetic middle ground between the four factions and some of their subsidiaries. Not to mention they look sexy as all hell. The only odd thing/bummer is the drone issue....


I imagine that after their period of exclusivity, these ships will probably be released in some sort of in-game event, and much further down the line, be "candied" out much like what happened to the Gnosis. I could also see them doing it as part of a package deal instead, but given the past trends, I'd say that's highly unlikely - at least not exclusively.


Now for my only imput... CCPlz Give these faction skins like you did with the mining ships! Me needz a rusty Minmatar or shiny gold CONCORD ship in my life. o3o

Actually, if you look at the wings, they have glowing orange portions that look like they could serve as heat-sinks. Further reinforces the Star Wars theory.

And about the tech combination, that's why I prefer these new designs. As I recall from old Chronicles and The Empyrean Age, CONCORD used to be described as using classified Jovian tech to make them so dangerous to capsuleers.

I like this new version where they're so dangerous because they combine the bleeding edge of all 4 nations to make ships that are basically impossible to kill, and then take care of damage with unbeatable numbers.

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Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
Jayai Syndicate
#104 - 2017-04-05 19:32:45 UTC
MidnightWyvern wrote:
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
eh, hull characteristics changing depending on your sec-status is not the best of ideas imo.

If you think about it, it makes sense. Without that restriction, the ship could theoretically be quite useful to law-breakers.

However, with what I assume is going to be explained as a black-box function CONCORD put into those to keep them out of unlawful hands, the ships can only be used in most cases for ratting or hunting down criminals.

Lore wise sure, why not.

Mechanically tho I don't see anything good in it. It is a combat ship with limited supply so seeing it in space would be rare already, but on top of that it has a bonus that get worse if you are being more aggressive and proactive in a combat ship. It just makes no sense to me.
Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#105 - 2017-04-05 20:05:30 UTC
Lug Muad'Dib wrote:
Really hope it's a joke..

Cruiser and frigate are already in database on SISI..
Arcturus Ursidae
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2017-04-05 23:14:21 UTC
They can be simulated on the test server now.

Hard to judge as there are so many options but I would be leaning towards a dual rep blaster fit, bit like dual rep incursus only with full tackle, very vulnerable to being kited though.

Tanks seem strong but the DPS and speed make these seem a little bit of a nothing in general. Not sure if they are quite at pirate faction level but am unsure at what level they are being pitched at.

Think I would not be flying these given the expected price point.
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#107 - 2017-04-05 23:25:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Sobaan Tali
Kaivarian Coste wrote:
Brent McBride wrote:
unless i'm wrong here but these were announced almost a year ago at last fanfest and it was said that people attending would receive them first as a gift in commemoration of CCP's 20th. Than latter that year they would be available to everyone to obtain threw an in game event so can everyone please calm down


They probably should be clear about that, because I honestly thought this ship would only be available to those who paid $$$ directly to CCP.


No offense, but they've pretty much stated from the get-go that they would be released for fanfest attendees then everyone else later on. In fact every conversation I've seen with or without CCP devs about them has been that everyone will get access to them, just people going to fanfest are getting them before anyone else. They couldn't have been for clear about that unless they'd have sent out emails to every eve player with an active account.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."

FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#108 - 2017-04-06 02:42:53 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
it has a bonus that get worse if you are being more aggressive and proactive in a combat ship. It just makes no sense to me.


You only lose security status for fighting in Low Sec or Empire space. You can be as aggressive as you want in 0.0 or WH space without worrying about security status.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#109 - 2017-04-06 03:22:20 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
it has a bonus that get worse if you are being more aggressive and proactive in a combat ship. It just makes no sense to me.


You only lose security status for fighting in Low Sec or Empire space. You can be as aggressive as you want in 0.0 or WH space without worrying about security status.


Forget it, Diomedes. I'd like to think that I'm the pessimist in my family, hell at the very least I'm a pretty cynical son of a *****, but there's really no making some people happy.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."

Baron Agamemnon
Black Raven Corsairs
#110 - 2017-04-07 12:33:54 UTC
Sobaan Tali wrote:
Kaivarian Coste wrote:
Brent McBride wrote:
unless i'm wrong here but these were announced almost a year ago at last fanfest and it was said that people attending would receive them first as a gift in commemoration of CCP's 20th. Than latter that year they would be available to everyone to obtain threw an in game event so can everyone please calm down


They probably should be clear about that, because I honestly thought this ship would only be available to those who paid $$$ directly to CCP.


No offense, but they've pretty much stated from the get-go that they would be released for fanfest attendees then everyone else later on. In fact every conversation I've seen with or without CCP devs about them has been that everyone will get access to them, just people going to fanfest are getting them before anyone else. They couldn't have been for clear about that unless they'd have sent out emails to every eve player with an active account.



Did they say it? OP said "special events and the like", not "everyone".
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#111 - 2017-04-07 14:10:55 UTC
Baron Agamemnon wrote:

Did they say it? OP said "special events and the like", not "everyone".


They never stated how anyone else would get them, just that people with a ticket would get them sooner than everyone else. I know the OP here doesn't specify "everyone", but I remember a reddit post announcing them some time ago stating they will eventually be available to the general public after fanfest attendees have had sufficient exclusive access to them. Also, https://updates.eveonline.com had at one point up until recently indicated this. Unless this is their way of saying that they've changed their minds on degree of access planned, which I hope not.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."

Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
Jayai Syndicate
#112 - 2017-04-07 16:32:15 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
it has a bonus that get worse if you are being more aggressive and proactive in a combat ship. It just makes no sense to me.


You only lose security status for fighting in Low Sec or Empire space. You can be as aggressive as you want in 0.0 or WH space without worrying about security status.

Obviously. Ask yourself this tho how often do you see alliance tournament ships in 0.0 or WH in comparison to low. Silver and gold magnate, malice, chremoa, cambion etc. most of them are flown in low when they are flown at all that is.

btw what is the design decision (mechanically) behind the sec status bonus in your opinion?
Vigilant
Vigilant's Vigilante's
#113 - 2017-04-07 23:07:50 UTC
The DEV's stated at EVE Vegas 2016 that all these ships would be available to "all" pilots even if you did not attend.
So CCP, how are you going to make this so ???

(And the market is not the answer)
Akrasjel Lanate
Lanate Industries
#114 - 2017-04-08 07:25:34 UTC
Vigilant wrote:
The DEV's stated at EVE Vegas 2016 that all these ships would be available to "all" pilots even if you did not attend.
So CCP, how are you going to make this so ???

(And the market is not the answer)

Nope
They are to be promotional ships... availability of them won't be like normal ships

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Capqu
Half Empty
#115 - 2017-04-08 12:31:05 UTC
any word a bomb launcher fozzie?

it would be strictly worse for bombing than a real SB due to no damage bonus but come with the ability to have bonused probes so you wouldn't need an alt or have to use an unbonused probe launcher on a bomber

i'd personally use it for FCing and im probably not the only one
Vigilant
Vigilant's Vigilante's
#116 - 2017-04-08 15:01:43 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Vigilant wrote:
The DEV's stated at EVE Vegas 2016 that all these ships would be available to "all" pilots even if you did not attend.
So CCP, how are you going to make this so ???

(And the market is not the answer)

Nope
They are to be promotional ships... availability of them won't be like normal ships



One, you can't read

Two, you can't read

Three, it was announced at EVE Vegas 2016 that they will be available by other means. They know everyone can not make it to these events.
Akrasjel Lanate
Lanate Industries
#117 - 2017-04-08 16:32:02 UTC
Vigilant wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Vigilant wrote:
The DEV's stated at EVE Vegas 2016 that all these ships would be available to "all" pilots even if you did not attend.
So CCP, how are you going to make this so ???

(And the market is not the answer)

Nope
They are to be promotional ships... availability of them won't be like normal ships



One, you can't read

Two, you can't read

Three, it was announced at EVE Vegas 2016 that they will be available by other means. They know everyone can not make it to these events.

One, link to the moment when they say it.
Two, Fanfest 2017 has more actual info about changes coming.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude

Tasuku Furukawa
SAKUMA DROP
Caladrius Alliance
#118 - 2017-04-08 17:51:56 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Vigilant wrote:
The DEV's stated at EVE Vegas 2016 that all these ships would be available to "all" pilots even if you did not attend.
So CCP, how are you going to make this so ???

(And the market is not the answer)

Nope
They are to be promotional ships... availability of them won't be like normal ships


CONCRD ships to be promotional isn't a problem.

Is there any chance getting these ships without attending a special out-game event such like Fanfest?

That is the problem.Roll




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Cade Windstalker
#119 - 2017-04-08 21:00:31 UTC
Tasuku Furukawa wrote:
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Vigilant wrote:
The DEV's stated at EVE Vegas 2016 that all these ships would be available to "all" pilots even if you did not attend.
So CCP, how are you going to make this so ???

(And the market is not the answer)

Nope
They are to be promotional ships... availability of them won't be like normal ships


CONCRD ships to be promotional isn't a problem.

Is there any chance getting these ships without attending a special out-game event such like Fanfest?

That is the problem.Roll


This question is answered in the OP and has been since Fozzie posted it...

CCP Fozzie wrote:
After a limited period of timed exclusivity these ships will become available again in the future through other special promotions.
Arcturus Ursidae
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2017-04-08 21:09:26 UTC
You need to look at the language that is being used. It states promotions which almost which implies plex sales or subscription offers.

I don't actually have a problem with this, CCP often gives away skins and such like during promotions or offers.

However the issue I have is the impact on the ships being introduced. Instead of a useful balanced addition to the game we get a novelty ship.

They are good for ratting for sec status, quite tanky but with quite significant vulnerabilities in speed, low DPS and a cruiser and battleship without any drones is probably asking for trouble. If you are a pirate you don't even get the tankyness ( I find the sec status bonus quite interesting however so would not suggest removing it)

As it stand they do not seem overpowered and so are balanced, there main use will be as a novelty ship item that is worth a large ISK value due to rarity.