EVE General Discussion

im am going to abuse this by sitting outside these certain systems and murder every one that leaves them

We've knocked heads on this before, but I still hold to leaving the obvious legit fresh off the boat noobs alone till they grow a bit.

Or atleast reimburse their loss, even if they react with anger.

I know noob tears are often extremely salty and delicious, but their ships arent worth crap for profit, but are all the noob has.

Hell, Im not space-rich by any stretch, but if someone preys on a legit noob and doesnt want to reimburse them themselves, send me the killmail (+ tear log if possible :D) and I will reimburse them myself.

More retention is good, and Ill put my money where my mouth is to ensure that.

Wow... so this is how low it has gone for some people huh?

Lets shoot the noobs...

Really?

You're equating new players with 'children', and thereby doing both them and children a great disservice. New Players are not (necessarily) ignoramuses. They have the ability and the duty to find out a bit about the game they intend to play. Only a fool approaches a dangerous environment without taking at least some precautions.

Let's shoot New Players, Old Players, Industrialists, PvPers - and just about anyone else we can find!

You sir, are either being wilfully dense or you are new to the sub-forums, a sub-forum noob. Either way, I have 'shot' you, a noob. Now, shoot me back. That's the way to do it!

You see? Being new doesn't mean being daft. Usually.

First, I generally leave new players alone. They tend to fly uninteresting things with nothing of value in them and despite your insinuation, I am not after tears (although if a grown adult chooses to spill some over an imaginary spaceship, I will enjoy the spectacle). In fact, the only people who I have ever met who claim to want to feast on noob tears are generally butthurt carebears upset over losing something and think they can hurt the game that hurt them by trying to drive off new players (which, ironically, actually helps retain new players!). There is almost always something more lucrative or satisfying to hunt than a 30-day character in a Venture, and the tears of some entitled and complacent 5-year veteran flying an overloaded transport or blinged-out exhumer are much, much sweeter than some poor new player who doesn't know what is going on.

If I see a 1-hour old character with a PLEX in their rookie ship I am going to take it if I can, but if I explode some new player flying some new player ship in haste or collaterally, I always reimburse them as Cannibal Kane in no uncertain terms commanded me to long ago. I don't ever want to be on the bad side of that one. I have no shortage of ISK and I am happy to provide a new ship and some tips on not dying to new players I encounter in my travels.

Why do interesting threads about CODE. and the New Order often derail and just devolve to the question of who loves the new players more?

I should say immediately that, if current production and design values persist, what you posit, Salvos, will not happen.

To respond though; if CCP takes away from Highsec all militaristic forms of non-consensual PvP, then there do remain other means of at least preserving a PvP flavour in the region. I mean, of course, bumping, corp infiltration and theft, market-mongering and just plain showing the carebears and bot-aspirants that their mission to avoid encountering other players in conflict, will fail.

I haven't really thought about it, and your curiosity matches mine. I'm fairly certain that, because Highsec is the place most in danger of becoming sissified, that that is where the important work remains to be done. I'd likely stay to help.

Dom & Sasha:

I didnt ask if it would end.
I asked what would you do if it ended.

Couldn't tell you. Might not have quit though.

When I fell for the margin trading scam I then went out and learned how to do it and set up my own. Ran those for a few months and earned just enough for an Orca that way before I decided Eve was boring. Perhaps being ganked would have done something similar. Or perhaps not. I can't say for sure.

Sure.

But I need killmails and tear-logs too ;)

Hey Salvos, surely you read beyond the first part of my reply? What, you didnt? Treachery!

And here I thought you were a conscientious kind of chap. Colour me 'disappointed'