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Mining drone improvements
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Cyclone Organic
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2017-04-04 15:34:56 UTC
I would like to talk about some personal suggestions about the sound effect/ notification system of mining activities.

There is one problem that has concerned me for a long time: I got no idea when an asteroid would be depleted by the drones. If you look at the traditional mining lasers and the more advanced strip miners, yes, both of them are well designed and definitely have a sound effect and a vocal to remind you that "The Asteroid is depleted". In the contrast, this doesn't exist for the mining drones (regardless of whatever ship you are flying). You know, sometimes, I just forgot to revoke my drones or direct them to the next task since I didn't the asteroids were done.
The same thing happens on the combat drones, but in a miner way. You still get no notification or sound effect of a group of suspended drones, while the sound effect of EXPLOSION is just too loud to be ignored. Yes, upon hearing the "boommmm!", you switch to your drone control panel and ask them to this or that.
I wonder if the CCP tech team could add something similar to the mining activities, or to the general drone manipulation, i.e. a vocal that "Your drones has depleted an asteroid".
Plus, make "F" shortcut applicable to "mine repeatedly" :)
Cade Windstalker
#2 - 2017-04-04 21:00:53 UTC
Sending your drones at a rock does mine repeatedly, as of the last patch.
Cyclone Organic
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2017-04-04 21:06:45 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Sending your drones at a rock does mine repeatedly, as of the last patch.


Didn't say anything against that :o

If you referred to my last sentence, I was talking about creating a new short key for "mining repeatedly" (just like "F" as the quick cast for "engage") cz currently we need to right click the drone group and then select this command.
Dark Lord Trump
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2017-04-04 21:12:31 UTC
Cyclone Organic wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Sending your drones at a rock does mine repeatedly, as of the last patch.


Didn't say anything against that :o

If you referred to my last sentence, I was talking about creating a new short key for "mining repeatedly" (just like "F" as the quick cast for "engage") cz currently we need to right click the drone group and then select this command.

That's what F does.

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Cyclone Organic
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2017-04-05 14:46:18 UTC
Dark Lord Trump wrote:

That's what F does.


Alright, thanks. I will try it later.
Cade Windstalker
#6 - 2017-04-05 18:24:53 UTC
Cyclone Organic wrote:
Dark Lord Trump wrote:

That's what F does.


Alright, thanks. I will try it later.


Yup, sorry if I was unclear, as of the last patch the "Engage" hotkey for drones will do this.
Cyclone Organic
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2017-04-05 20:58:38 UTC
Cade Windstalker wrote:


Yup, sorry if I was unclear, as of the last patch the "Engage" hotkey for drones will do this.



Never mind, I didn't fully understand your sentences as I am not a native-English speaker.

And yes, it works.
Krysenth
Saints Of Havoc
#8 - 2017-04-05 23:12:35 UTC
Another alternative would be to have the drones automatically start mining the next closest targeted asteroid.
Cyclone Organic
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2017-04-08 19:01:02 UTC
Krysenth wrote:
Another alternative would be to have the drones automatically start mining the next closest targeted asteroid.



That's too much IMO. If so, Orca will dominant high sec mining.

Btw, miners have already been argued for afk playing too much.
Bjorn Tyrson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2017-04-08 20:08:33 UTC
Why do you need a sound to let you know? Can't you just see when the roof pops? Or are you tabbed out while mining?
Cyclone Organic
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2017-04-08 20:52:05 UTC
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:
Why do you need a sound to let you know? Can't you just see when the roof pops? Or are you tabbed out while mining?


I mean, what's the point of not switching out? Mining is not like combat (PVE and PVP) or any other activities in the game. You won't just stare at the rock for 20 minutes, right?

Of course, sometimes you can find a friend or some random players to chat with, but not always. Then what do you do? Look at the rock and build a 3D model for it? Or calculate the orbit trail of your drones? I personally prefer to read something or have a cup of coffee.
Bjorn Tyrson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2017-04-08 21:12:21 UTC
Cyclone Organic wrote:
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:
Why do you need a sound to let you know? Can't you just see when the roof pops? Or are you tabbed out while mining?


I mean, what's the point of not switching out? Mining is not like combat (PVE and PVP) or any other activities in the game. You won't just stare at the rock for 20 minutes, right?

Of course, sometimes you can find a friend or some random players to chat with, but not always. Then what do you do? Look at the rock and build a 3D model for it? Or calculate the orbit trail of your drones? I personally prefer to read something or have a cup of coffee.


even if your doing something else on another monitor or reading, you should still be glancing at your screen often, situational awareness is how you avoid getting ganked. whenever I mine I am generally doing something else as well, but keeping one eye on whats going on, and it becomes pretty obvious when a roid pops.

pay even tiny bit of attention to what your doing and this feature no longer needs to exist. so why waste development time on it?
Grim Pac Rian
Tech Knights
#13 - 2017-04-09 03:08:59 UTC
Cyclone Organic wrote:
Krysenth wrote:
Another alternative would be to have the drones automatically start mining the next closest targeted asteroid.



That's too much IMO. If so, Orca will dominant high sec mining.

Btw, miners have already been argued for afk playing too much.



High sec mining is a very tough business. Have you ever mined with an orca? It isn't that great even if it auto moved on to the next rock. The orca pilot is just a booster an account that is more of an expense to have than anything.
Grim Pac Rian
Tech Knights
#14 - 2017-04-09 03:13:44 UTC
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:
Cyclone Organic wrote:
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:
Why do you need a sound to let you know? Can't you just see when the roof pops? Or are you tabbed out while mining?


I mean, what's the point of not switching out? Mining is not like combat (PVE and PVP) or any other activities in the game. You won't just stare at the rock for 20 minutes, right?

Of course, sometimes you can find a friend or some random players to chat with, but not always. Then what do you do? Look at the rock and build a 3D model for it? Or calculate the orbit trail of your drones? I personally prefer to read something or have a cup of coffee.


even if your doing something else on another monitor or reading, you should still be glancing at your screen often, situational awareness is how you avoid getting ganked. whenever I mine I am generally doing something else as well, but keeping one eye on whats going on, and it becomes pretty obvious when a roid pops.

pay even tiny bit of attention to what your doing and this feature no longer needs to exist. so why waste development time on it?


Sorry but your wrong, your covering the fact that each rock takes a different amount of time to mine. Some people don't mine the entire rock and leave partials in the belt. Yeah yeah you have a survey scanner but because of the anti high sec mining coalition. Every sec matters you need to be able to enter the belt put lasers down and mine. Then there is the issue with rats if your using drones that you have to recall them and then send out your other drones and the targeting speeds. Skilling into an exhumed with all the proper lasers and crystals is so labor intensive and such a slow process that it is mind numbing.
Cyclone Organic
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2017-04-09 15:11:03 UTC
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:


even if your doing something else on another monitor or reading, you should still be glancing at your screen often, situational awareness is how you avoid getting ganked. whenever I mine I am generally doing something else as well, but keeping one eye on whats going on, and it becomes pretty obvious when a roid pops.

pay even tiny bit of attention to what your doing and this feature no longer needs to exist. so why waste development time on it?



There is no such a rule that miners should look at the monitor to avoid getting ganked. It's better to do so but still far from a must-do rule.

Suicide ganking is player activities, not game mechanics designed by CCP. Why should we pay for other player's lives?

Furthermore, a sound notification of mining activities does not conflict with being vigilant. EVE players should be vigilant all the time. So it has nothing to do with mining, and not exclusive for miners.