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Recent incursion issues

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Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#241 - 2012-01-22 18:42:23 UTC
Boo hoo OP. Go back to farming level 4 missions if you don't like other people playing the game.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#242 - 2012-01-22 18:44:15 UTC
Tippia wrote:
JC Anderson wrote:
Apparently Tippia, you are a null sec overlord with throngs of slaves following you around and begging for candy.
Wow. Great. The things you miss if you don't pay attention. Shocked

Could my slaves please show themselves so I know whom to order around? Candy will indeed be provided.
Also, could someone please show me what part of nullsec I'm overlord of?


Given the trend it must be goons.
Ursula LeGuinn
Perkone
Caldari State
#243 - 2012-01-22 18:46:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Ursula LeGuinn
I've always been startled by the ability of certain players to remain civil while arguing with posters who are hilariously underqualified to participate in the debate at hand.

"The EVE forums are intended to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community." — EVElopedia
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#244 - 2012-01-22 18:47:55 UTC
Here are the issues as I see them.

1. Incursions have caused a player community to develop in high sec. Given the problems CCP has had in creating communities in high sec this is a major accomplishment. The issue is that if people lose their community they won't go do something else, they will stop playing and cancel their accounts.

2. 0.0 corps are community Piranah, starving entities that will devour anything they come in contact with. The isk buy in, for capships, supercaps and other required material, has become so high that a corp from high or low sec cannot afford to move to null. Among other things supercaps are community killers. Once you need supercaps in corp to join a null alliance no none moon holding corp is going to be able to pay to play. As a result to play in null players must abandon their current corp/community and join an established nullsec corp. Also when it comes to community, many null sec corps are complete fail and require a constant influx of new blood.

3. High sec players are very angry that as soon as a feature that allowed for the creation of a high sec community a 0.0 alliance came in and said "no soup for you." Additionally, high sec mechanics render the community powerless to resist. Each wardeccagainst an alliance increase the price. Suicide ganking gives the target kill rights. It seems to the high sec players that null alliances are insisting that all group content must be in null space. Also, experience shows that moving group content to null space has one of two effects. Either nobody runs it or a null alliance nominates a small group to run it for the alliance and the members neither see the isk nor the content (anyone remember static plexes).

4. Plex prices are through the roof. Null sec players are blaming this on incursions. High sec players (many of which have only one account) tend to blame a bad economy constricting plex supply for the problem. (According to market stats in The Forge, sales of Plex have risen since Incursions was announced). I'm not sure what is going on but I tend to blame a bad economy restricting supply of plex more than anything else. There are around 5000 plex sales a day in Jita, there are not enough incursion runners to make a dint in that volume.

5. Null sec players want their anomalies unnerfed so that they can do their isk grinding in their home territory. This would allow them to strengthen their communities. Frankly if moon goo got nerfed into oblivion and anomalies got unnerfed, I think it would be a big win for the entire game.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#245 - 2012-01-22 18:48:19 UTC
Tippia wrote:
JC Anderson wrote:
Apparently Tippia, you are a null sec overlord with throngs of slaves following you around and begging for candy.
Wow. Great. The things you miss if you don't pay attention. Shocked

Could my slaves please show themselves so I know whom to order around? Candy will indeed be provided.
Also, could someone please show me what part of nullsec I'm overlord of?


I want Candy!

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#246 - 2012-01-22 18:51:48 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:

Onus Probandi. You are making the argument that bounties are a larger Isk faucet than Incursions, therefor you must provide the evidence to back up the claim.

The QEN 2010 figures come before Incursions and before a Massive decrease in the number of people who can earn the highest available incomes in Null.


I developed an awesome way to prove it.

It is called "I just know it" Big smile
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#247 - 2012-01-22 18:52:21 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
I want Candy!
Ok, I've changed my mind.
Because of Ruby here, the candy is cancelled. Instead, there will be severe whippings for all (and I'm being kind here — no punishment is severe enough for what just happened).
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#248 - 2012-01-22 18:56:11 UTC
Tippia wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
I want Candy!
Ok, I've changed my mind.
Because of Ruby here, the candy is cancelled. Instead, there will be severe whippings for all (and I'm being kind here — no punishment is severe enough for what just happened).


Oooh, Whip it Good.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#249 - 2012-01-22 18:57:09 UTC
Dammit ruby now we dont get free candyEvil
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#250 - 2012-01-22 18:58:38 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dammit ruby now we dont get free candyEvil


But we get whippings. Whippings are better than candy. Bear

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#251 - 2012-01-22 19:02:09 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
But we get whippings. Whippings are better than candy. Bear

I'll direct you to §14.b.1 of your contract: should you be a masochist, all whippings will be replaced by running L3 missions until the end of time.
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#252 - 2012-01-22 19:03:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Tippia wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
But we get whippings. Whippings are better than candy. Bear

I'll direct you to §14.b.1 of your contract: should you be a masochist, all whippings will be replaced by running L3 missions until the end of time.


whipping
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#253 - 2012-01-22 19:05:09 UTC
Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
Tippia wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
But we get whippings. Whippings are better than candy. Bear

I'll direct you to §14.b.1 of your contract: should you be a masochist, all whippings will be replaced by running L3 missions until the end of time.

whipping

Those too.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#254 - 2012-01-22 19:05:39 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
RubyPorto wrote:
Tippia wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
I want Candy!
Ok, I've changed my mind.
Because of Ruby here, the candy is cancelled. Instead, there will be severe whippings for all (and I'm being kind here — no punishment is severe enough for what just happened).


Oooh, Whip it Good.


Devo isn't nearly as bad as having to listen to the first song you linked after I had finally scrubbed my mind clean of it many many many years ago.

LOL I had a chipmunks album (yes vinyl) where they covered Whip It. ;)
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#255 - 2012-01-22 19:07:54 UTC
JC Anderson wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Tippia wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
I want Candy!
Ok, I've changed my mind.
Because of Ruby here, the candy is cancelled. Instead, there will be severe whippings for all (and I'm being kind here — no punishment is severe enough for what just happened).


Oooh, Whip it Good.


Devo isn't nearly as bad as having to listen to the first song you linked after I had finally scrubbed my mind clean of it many many many years ago.

LOL I had a chipmunks album (yes vinyl) where they covered Whip It. ;)


Yeah, but what can you do on a Friday night?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#256 - 2012-01-22 19:08:29 UTC
Tippia wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
But we get whippings. Whippings are better than candy. Bear

I'll direct you to §14.b.1 of your contract: should you be a masochist, all whippings will be replaced by running L3 missions until the end of time.


Harsh.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#257 - 2012-01-22 19:09:59 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Tippia wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
But we get whippings. Whippings are better than candy. Bear

I'll direct you to §14.b.1 of your contract: should you be a masochist, all whippings will be replaced by running L3 missions until the end of time.

Harsh.

Aaron Carter. So yes, harsh, but 100% justified.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#258 - 2012-01-22 19:14:01 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
RubyPorto wrote:
Tippia wrote:
JC Anderson wrote:
Apparently Tippia, you are a null sec overlord with throngs of slaves following you around and begging for candy.
Wow. Great. The things you miss if you don't pay attention. Shocked

Could my slaves please show themselves so I know whom to order around? Candy will indeed be provided.
Also, could someone please show me what part of nullsec I'm overlord of?


I want Candy!


I'll see your Candy and raise you a Mika.

RubyPorto wrote:
Yeah, but what can you do on a Friday night?


*dies*
Brumi Viri
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#259 - 2012-01-22 19:38:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Brumi Viri
Jas Dor wrote:
Here are the issues as I see them.

1. Incursions have caused a player community to develop in high sec. Given the problems CCP has had in creating communities in high sec this is a major accomplishment. The issue is that if people lose their community they won't go do something else, they will stop playing and cancel their accounts.

2. 0.0 corps are community Piranah, starving entities that will devour anything they come in contact with. The isk buy in, for capships, supercaps and other required material, has become so high that a corp from high or low sec cannot afford to move to null. Among other things supercaps are community killers. Once you need supercaps in corp to join a null alliance no none moon holding corp is going to be able to pay to play. As a result to play in null players must abandon their current corp/community and join an established nullsec corp. Also when it comes to community, many null sec corps are complete fail and require a constant influx of new blood.

3. High sec players are very angry that as soon as a feature that allowed for the creation of a high sec community a 0.0 alliance came in and said "no soup for you." Additionally, high sec mechanics render the community powerless to resist. Each wardeccagainst an alliance increase the price. Suicide ganking gives the target kill rights. It seems to the high sec players that null alliances are insisting that all group content must be in null space. Also, experience shows that moving group content to null space has one of two effects. Either nobody runs it or a null alliance nominates a small group to run it for the alliance and the members neither see the isk nor the content (anyone remember static plexes).

4. Plex prices are through the roof. Null sec players are blaming this on incursions. High sec players (many of which have only one account) tend to blame a bad economy constricting plex supply for the problem. (According to market stats in The Forge, sales of Plex have risen since Incursions was announced). I'm not sure what is going on but I tend to blame a bad economy restricting supply of plex more than anything else. There are around 5000 plex sales a day in Jita, there are not enough incursion runners to make a dint in that volume.

5. Null sec players want their anomalies unnerfed so that they can do their isk grinding in their home territory. This would allow them to strengthen their communities. Frankly if moon goo got nerfed into oblivion and anomalies got unnerfed, I think it would be a big win for the entire game.


MY POST WAS LOCKED, I am sad panda. Anyhow:


If incursion runners wanted to make isk like mad men we would go to low sector or null where the payouts are twice as much. CCP Created incursions in high sector, low sector and null. To let Pilots decide how much pvp risk to take.

To allow Griefers to destroy the playing experience in high sector by killing MoM within hours of spawning is going to cost CCP money because customers like me will unsubscribe. I played in null and its not for me, its operation and fleet after fleet of protecting moon goo that I never see a penny of.


<3 My High Sector Incursion Community.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#260 - 2012-01-22 19:46:10 UTC
Brumi Viri wrote:
To allow Griefers to destroy the playing experience in high sector by killing MoM within hours of spawning is going to cost CCP money because customers like me will unsubscribe.
Ah, the classic “CCP needs botters to pay the bills” defence.