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Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#201 - 2017-04-03 11:42:25 UTC
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:
If CCP frowns on you killing noobs


Ah but CCP doesn't frown on our killing new players. We're only (and quite reasonably) prevented from killing them in certain systems.

If CCP objected to our killing new players, they'd make them invulnerable for their first few weeks. Or simply forbid it as some kind of exploit. They do not do so, therefore our campaign marches forward. As James has said, it's really best to introduce new players to The Code quickly, before their minds can be poisoned with the carebear cyanide dispensed by well-meaning but misguided folks like your goodself.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#202 - 2017-04-03 11:43:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:
@Black Pedro: Spare me the propaganda speech. Contrary to what CODE might believe, I DON'T want a risk-free highsec. I DON'T want one more nerf. I do, however, want people like you to stop trying to convince everyone you're helping anyone and just admit to being what you really are, stop it with the 'permit' garbage and just be a regular criminal/pirate/terrorist alliance. If CCP frowns on you killing noobs just because, cowboy up and go find some bigger, profitable targets. If you want to extort someone, try extorting noob corps with the threat of wardec. If you want to be terrorists, put some effort into it! You'll still get your salt harvest, but you won't be annoying the everloving poo out of most of the EVE universe (and scare some lazy players straight while you're at it).

But what you're doing now amounts to little more than cowardice with a side order of trolling, and people are sick of it. STOP.

Sorry friend, what I am doing is what I claim: bringing player-driven content and player-driven risk to highsec. Whether you see that as being a villain running an extortion racket, or a hero defending my homeland, is completely up to you and judge me as you want. But whatever the case, I am serving as a source of risk and 'culling' the worst of the worst behaviour in highsec, a role which CCP intends for the players to fulfill in this game.

CCP completely intends for newer players to die to other players, just like they intend for all the rest of us to die to each other. That said, the majority, probably the vast majority of kills in the name of the New Order are of veteran players. New players don't fly freighters or exhumers, and while we will not exclude some poor new player from the fun by leaving them on the sidelines of the struggle for highsec, they are not are the primary target. It is the rich, complacent, greedy carebears of highsec that are the largest part of the problem and who are in most need of being exploded.

Play the game how you want, but you probably should stop extrapolating your view of the game onto the whole player-base. Most of us actually like the chaos and competition that this game affords, and the sheer amount of content and entertainment the Code has brought to the game, so just pick your side and have fun playing the game instead of complaining that content is taking place ("I don't mind ganking, but I don't like how you gank!"), or worse, telling everyone that the content needs to stop in the name of new players ("think of the children!").
Azalyn Akiga
Doomheim
#203 - 2017-04-03 11:50:02 UTC
Man does code still exists I thought all of them had grown up by now maybe some kids never grows up.

I don´t mind cod have not lost anything to them or so I just see them as a waste of time. You wanna gank in hig sec or pvp fight well make it a good fight then. Sadly the only thing code brings is childish demeanor and a half assed fight that waste everybody time. I don´t pay 15 euro a month to have my time wasted on some boring **** like code or mining I wanna have a good fight that gets your blood boiling not a fight that makes your blood freeze.
Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#204 - 2017-04-03 11:58:42 UTC
Azalyn Akiga wrote:
Man does code still exists I thought all of them had grown up by now maybe some kids never grows up.

I don´t mind cod have not lost anything to them or so I just see them as a waste of time. You wanna gank in hig sec or pvp fight well make it a good fight then. Sadly the only thing code brings is childish demeanor and a half assed fight that waste everybody time. I don´t pay 15 euro a month to have my time wasted on some boring **** like code or mining I wanna have a good fight that gets your blood boiling not a fight that makes your blood freeze.


O hello there Azalyn, almost didn't notice you enter the room. What's that you say? Speak up dear!

Ah, you 'wanna have a good fight that gets your blood boiling'. I see. Perhaps you'd explain to us just how you propose to manage that while dallying in an NPC Corp?

As for the rest of your comment.....

Kindly explain what you mean by the terms 'childish demeanor' and 'a fight that makes your blood freeze' - with examples, if possible.

I've a few things to sort out in an image manipulation app - my bugbear - but when I've done that, I shall return to read what will no doubt be a riveting and revealing comment from you.
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#205 - 2017-04-03 14:36:44 UTC
The tears in this thread are nectar.

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com

Clockwork Robot
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#206 - 2017-04-03 18:17:12 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
The tears in this thread are nectar.



Sometimes I don't get it. If something bothers you, or doesn't hold your interest, why not just... Walk away?
"But I love the game, I want to see it -record screech noise-"

Nope. No, you don't love the game. You enjoy the game, sure... But you love the version of the game in your wishes. Not as it is.
oiukhp Muvila
Doomheim
#207 - 2017-04-04 05:30:50 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
The tears in this thread are nectar.



Which is the whole point of griefing, since it first surfaced in MMOs.

Yebo Lakatosh
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#208 - 2017-04-04 06:21:59 UTC
Azalyn Akiga wrote:
I don´t pay 15 euro a month to have my time wasted on some boring **** like code or mining I wanna have a good fight that gets your blood boiling not a fight that makes your blood freeze.
So... there is a group that nudges a group of players who are doing something they consider boring. And than there is you, coming to the forum to nudge them for they do something you consider boring.

Ever considered selling goodfite permits?

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"I support Goodfites!

The holder of this permit will reship and send his buddies home when asked,
in order to provide you as close to 50% chance to win as possible."
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So far the only difference I see is that one of the sides has style and dedication.

By the way... what's your goodfite/hour ratio? Just to know what are you paying your 15 eucks for..

Elite F1 pilot since YC119, incarnate of honor, integrity and tidi.

Erik Valensteed
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#209 - 2017-04-04 18:01:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Erik Valensteed
It's not really even that CODE wants to sell a mining permit, its that they don't hhave the ability to stop other gankers from blowing up corps that pay. I guess that it what would set a legitimate HiSec power from just another pirate corp. AND THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY NO FUN IN CHAT.

Tried to have fun with CODE and all I got was an explody freighter
Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#210 - 2017-04-04 18:17:30 UTC
Erik Valensteed wrote:
AND THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY NO FUN IN CHAT.


O I dunno, Erik. My comrades all seem to have a whale of a time in chat. Perhaps folks need to tweak the gain on their fun pot, you know, live a little...
Erik Valensteed
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#211 - 2017-04-04 18:25:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Erik Valensteed
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:
Erik Valensteed wrote:
AND THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY NO FUN IN CHAT.


O I dunno, Erik. My comrades all seem to have a whale of a time in chat. Perhaps folks need to tweak the gain on their fun pot, you know, live a little...


I agree...I think, about the whole fun pot thing, maybe I can google it. The "whale of a time" thing though, not so much, you are going to have to prove that one. All I saw was "James 315 says..." it is like listening to talk radio from a communist country. Now I will admit that fun is a subjective term, as such, maybe that is fun to you, but I
Mean more along the popular definition for fun.
Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
#212 - 2017-04-04 18:27:59 UTC
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:


But what you're doing now amounts to little more than cowardice with a side order of trolling, and people are sick of it. STOP.



Setting aside the fact that I agree completely with BP and Sasha, I'd just like to observe that telling someone you consider a troll to stop doing what their doing because it BOTHERS you is probably not a great strategy. Long-term-wise.

Highsec is worth fighting for.

By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.  www.minerbumping.com

Erik Valensteed
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#213 - 2017-04-04 18:38:02 UTC
Bing Bangboom wrote:
Alessienne Ellecon wrote:


But what you're doing now amounts to little more than cowardice with a side order of trolling, and people are sick of it. STOP.



Setting aside the fact that I agree completely with BP and Sasha, I'd just like to observe that telling someone you consider a troll to stop doing what their doing because it BOTHERS you is probably not a great strategy. Long-term-wise.


I am sorry Bingbamg, but you will need to be fined for trying to inject logic and reason into this conversation. Please submit 10mil and refeain from any more such posting
Erik Valensteed
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#214 - 2017-04-04 18:45:07 UTC
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:

Perhaps folks need to tweak the gain on their fun pot, you know, live a little...


After more analyzing this statement, I most definitely agree and it proves my point, if you will indulge me. If you are speaking of a potentiometer, in parallel to a capacitor, as is done to set up resonance to allow a radio signal frequency to pass through a band filter,and by "tweaking" you mean to fine adjust something like a rotary knob, as opposed to freaking out on meth, then that is spot on. Your friends have a very unique sense of humor that must sorta be fine-tuned, thus only enjoyable by like minded individuals. Guess that is kind of how you found each other. I am really impressed that you used a metaphor that required such deep though. Well played my friend
Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#215 - 2017-04-04 19:25:34 UTC
Erik Valensteed wrote:
I agree...I think, about the whole fun pot thing, maybe I can google it. The "whale of a time" thing though, not so much, you are going to have to prove that one. All I saw was "James 315 says..." it is like listening to talk radio from a communist country. Now I will admit that fun is a subjective term, as such, maybe that is fun to you, but I
Mean more along the popular definition for fun.


Hi Erik, I meant 'pot' as in 'potentiometer' - just meaning turn up the fun volume, if you like. Apologies for not making it clearer.

The Agents usually have a great deal of fun in chat situations, but it's enjoyed in an internalised fashion; you might not notice it at all. And of course, I was talking about the Agents.

When he was young, my son had a lively and wonderful imagination. Driving past some allotments one day (small plots of land rented and planted up by gardeners with no space of their own), I looked up into the mirror and saw him staring out the window intently. After a little while, he asked 'Do those people have to live in those tiny houses?' He was referring of course to the little sheds, usually placed one-a-piece on each plot, for tools, storage, etc.

My wife, in the passenger seat next to me, snorted. I gave her a stern look, but could hardly stop myself chuckling either. Patiently and very matter-of-fact, I explained what an allotment was. You don't laugh out loud at the comical misperceptions of young people.

The miners are very similar to that wide-eyed boy of mine. We don't want to hurt their feelings, so we keep it all on a fairly serious level. Inside, we're falling about, of course.

What miners need to do is enter into the spirit of the thing; see where they've tripped up, smile sheepishly and thank us for putting them straight.

Talk radio is horrible, wherever it originates.

'Fun', like 'beauty', has always been a matter of personal opinion. Subjective. I don't know how there can be any confusion about it.


Clockwork Robot
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#216 - 2017-04-04 19:50:46 UTC
Erik Valensteed wrote:
AND THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY NO FUN IN CHAT.
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I frequent the channel, and let me tell you...

Well, yeah. They do seem more or less uninterested in chatting. Sometimes. But hey, to each their own.
Erik Valensteed
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#217 - 2017-04-04 20:24:51 UTC
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:

Sasha Nemtsov


As a father of four and maybe one day soon a grandfather. I thoroughly enjoyed your story. Not going to lie to ya though, as soon as you tied it back into the "this is why we gank miners" it was like nails on a chalk board. I appreciated the "laughing inside" correlation, but it really seemed you were stretching it into a "we are code" rhetoric. That is kinda what I was getting at. Like you can't be a real person without being CODE. Anyway, sounds like legitimately awesome fathering. You sound like a pretty cool guy, just not coming across in EvE I guess.
Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#218 - 2017-04-04 21:25:02 UTC
Erik Valensteed wrote:

As a father of four and maybe one day soon a grandfather. I thoroughly enjoyed your story. Not going to lie to ya though, as soon as you tied it back into the "this is why we gank miners" it was like nails on a chalk board. I appreciated the "laughing inside" correlation, but it really seemed you were stretching it into a "we are code" rhetoric. That is kinda what I was getting at. Like you can't be a real person without being CODE. Anyway, sounds like legitimately awesome fathering. You sound like a pretty cool guy, just not coming across in EvE I guess.


Congratulations on your (hopefully growing) family!

It's entirely possible for a Code enforcer/supporter like myself to carry on a 'normal' conversation. Thing is, who's talking here? For a moment you got Rob, because it was the easiest way for me to make my point. You balked, however, at Sasha's return - back in character.

That reaction is commoner than I thought. I don't get why a bit of tongue-in-cheek play-acting riles some people so very much (perhaps not yourself, but certainly many others). I'm beginning to think there is a personality trait which simply cannot abide that kind of behaviour in adults or in young people. It seems to give rise to impatience, anger, and frustration, in about equal amounts.

I don't want to resurrect the zombie of 'are you the same in real life as you are in EVE?'. It should be obvious that it's impossible to convey the broad complexity of our real selves via an avatar in a point-and-click space sim. Even words are a poor substitute for face-to-face comms.

So, you get Rob and you get Sasha. Take your pick; you don't have to like either! Smile

Erik Valensteed
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#219 - 2017-04-05 03:57:25 UTC
Very well said. I was mostly trying to stir the pot, but you are articulate and quite sensible. Many seem to forget that, while sometimes intense, it is only a game (or maybe hobby is a more accurate description). You can be both the person and personna, change between them as you will. It was a pleasure. Fly safe, but don't blow up any more of my freighters ;)
Salvos Rhoska
#220 - 2017-04-05 07:40:32 UTC