Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I normally advocate for short-range logistics but today I've got a suggestion that may be veering more toward long-range logistics.

The idea is to allow capital ships to be disassembled into major assemblies which can be transported individually and reassembled anywhere else that capital ships can be assembled. Any citadel or complex outside of empire space and also large enough would be able to reassemble capital ships from major assemblies. Anywhere a capital ship is docked, it could be converted into major assemblies as long as there is a packaging service available. X-Large Ship Assembly Arrays would also be able to strip a capital down into major assemblies as long as it had an inventory to dump them into.

I'm sure supercapital major assemblies should take up considerably more space in order to make them more difficult to transport. Perhaps they would be too large for a jump freighter and only fit into a full-size freighter.


Effects of this proposal as-is:
Smaller capital ship assemblies could be bought and sold in highsec and then transported out to nullsec or wormhole space to reassemble. It would become much easier to get capital ships into wormhole systems. Capital ships could be transported in plastic wrap. Capital ships could be disassembled from one part of the galaxy and reassembled at another.


I am already aware that this suggestion will be shot down because it greatly boosts force projection of capital ships, and I also agree it might not be the best thing to implement. But I want to hear what other people think about it and tweak the idea as we go along.

How do you propose keeping supers out of wormholes?

If there is a teardown and reassembly time then maybe.

If these things are too large for a Jump Freighter then what, exactly does this gain you?

Also you would need them to be too large for a Freighter for this to work, at which point why bother? Everything but a Titan is already larger than a Freighter can fit packaged.



Increasing force projection is something to avoid, especially since you're basically taking something that would normally take almost a week under current mechanics to move from one end of the game to the other and basically dropping that down to a single day.

Oh and on top of that you're going to have to deal with what to do about rigs and making parts individually identifiable since, I would assume, they would have to belong to individual ships rather than any given back bit going with any other front bit.

Overall I'm not much of a fan of this. There are already mechanisms in the game for moving caps around. This is a solved problem. The only thing this adds is a way around Jump Fatigue.

At which point you now have a week+ timer for the full process, not counting travel time, because you pretty much need to balance this for the longest case move someone might reasonably be making.



Jump Bridges, bridging Titans, Wormholes, ect. All of these give you a way around this sort of issue, and the slightly lower mass of a Freighter compared to a Carrier/Dread allows you to use more Wormhole connections than you could use with a full Capital Ship.

If you allow these things to fit into a DST or similar then you've just massively increased the options available to players for moving these things around. For a start anything you can fit into a DST I can probably fit into a Blockade Runner, at which point I can Covert Cyno a Carrier anywhere I want without significant impact from Jump Fatigue.

This also means I can now get a Carrier in or out of a low-class Wormhole, which totally isn't super broken and OP at all...

It's not like buying a Capital is particularly hard as-is. Any decent sized Alliance sells them cheap, tons of 0.0 renters do industry and will sell capitals, and you can literally just buy a Carrier or Dread in Low Sec. Even Supers aren't hard to buy if you're not completely stupid about it, doubly so if you're in an Alliance big enough to use the things. See aforementioned buy programs most Alliances large enough to own Supers have.

Sorry I had to correct the order of those two sentences and my Bustard has a 67.500m³ fleet hangar.

Carry on.

Then with the current proposal, people could insert a fleet of cap ships into any C1 in which they had access to a POS or citadel, with the time to reassemble being the only limiting factor.

I want to discuss the capability groups have of putting capital ships into wormhole systems at current. As I understand it, before citadels, a group would have to anchor a large POS, put an X-Large Ship Assembly Array in it, and round up the resources, then manufacture the capital ship in the POS. The blueprints say they take 23 days to manufacture, so with skills you can probably cut that down to about 15 days minimum.

Due to time constraints and requiring ownership of a station for so much time, a group could find an empty system and build capitals in it, and then use those capitals to prevent other groups from moving in. An important factor here is that the capitals take longer to build than it takes to demolish the POS they are being built in.

With citadels I guess now you can manufacture the capital ship in roughly the same manner but docked inside the citadel.


Are my times correct? Are there other factors that influence this? Do citadels make it easier to get capitals into wormhole systems?

I kinda of like this idea, if it might give me the ability to build Cap ships in highsec but not undock them.

I only looked at a few but the carriers and dreads all seemed to be 1,300,000 m3 packaged.

divide that by 3 and you get like 433,333.33 m3...........middle, center, front (can make specific names later like "engineering section")

Ok, lets round that up to a simple 435,000 m3 for each section (idk could be packaging, support struts, tools etc to account for the xtra m3)

You would still need a Regular Freighter to cart them around which is fine with me. As i think JF are simply to small for that size.
Or Break it down into 5 parts per cap, which would be 260,000 m3 small enough for a JF but only 1 section at a time.

Now as to time, most Caps take what 8-10 days, 9 on avg to assemble from cap parts.

Ok for time: 4.5 Days to reassemble the ship (or basically 108 hrs) ((derived this from (9/3)+(9/5) ))

So total production time would include making of Cap parts, Disassembly, Transport, Reassembly. I think once figured out this would be more trouble than its worth for Power Projection. Hell, 9 days(make ship), tear down 24 hrs, reassembly 4.5 days. Your talking about 2 weeks at best, 5.5 days at best not including transport for ships already owned, might as well jump at that point.

It would give a slight boost to maybe those that want to build Caps out of highsec simply for ISK making purposes (or adding to their resume as a cap producer to get into a null group)

Titans we can just assume are not able to be moved in sections or whatever for what ever reason, lets leave those alone purely for the nullsec indy guys. It is their toys after all. Other Caps though can and are built in losec however, why not let highsec guys if they wish to take a shot at it also and be able to market them as well.

I was proposing allowing the pieces to be carried in smaller ships. But that would mean so many pieces that you'd still be collapsing at least one wormhole just to get a single capital ship in through the door.