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Ok mining orca fit... I guess
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Kathern Aurilen
#1 - 2017-04-01 09:42:39 UTC
I used to run a poorly shield tanked orca back when I first started, back before my unavoidable vacation from Eve a couple years back. I have recently came back to eve and I finally understood proper tanking... more or less.

It's better to have a thinner shield made of bricks(lots of resist) than a thick shield made of lots of wet cardboard(shield expanders no resist boost). And I was been trying a few different combinations to see what I was comfortable with.

[Orca, Fleet Orca]
Damage Control II
Shield Power Relay II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermal Dissipation Field II

Mining Foreman Burst I,
Shield Command Burst I, Shield Harmonizing Charge
Mining Foreman Burst I,
Medium Remote Armor Repairer I
Medium Remote Armor Repairer I
Salvager I

Large Core Defense Field Extender II
Large Drone Mining Augmentor II
Large Cargohold Optimization II

Dose this look good for a good mining fleet boost orca? I been going back and forth between dropping a Adapt resist for an expander, but I like it the way it is.

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Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2017-04-01 10:35:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Soel Reit
Quote:

Role Bonus:
400% bonus to Remote Shield Booster optimal range

you want remote shield boosters up there in the highs Roll

then you need to specificy the environment in which you're gonna use it.
afterwards have you checked the cap on that fit? it doesn't last much.

rigs: you don't need the cargohold optimization
Kathern Aurilen
#3 - 2017-04-01 11:55:06 UTC
Soel Reit wrote:
Quote:

Role Bonus:
400% bonus to Remote Shield Booster optimal range

you want remote shield boosters up there in the highs Roll

then you need to specificy the environment in which you're gonna use it.
afterwards have you checked the cap on that fit? it doesn't last much.

rigs: you don't need the cargohold optimization

Thanks forgot about that

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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#4 - 2017-04-01 14:32:31 UTC
Kathern Aurilen wrote:

[Orca, Fleet Orca]
Damage Control II
Shield Power Relay II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermal Dissipation Field II

Mining Foreman Burst I,
Shield Command Burst I, Shield Harmonizing Charge
Mining Foreman Burst I,
Medium Remote Armor Repairer I
Medium Remote Armor Repairer I
Salvager I

Large Core Defense Field Extender II
Large Drone Mining Augmentor II
Large Cargohold Optimization II


Overall, you've got the right ideas. Strong local tank, plus fleet support capability. I would tweak a few things though:

1. I'd drop an invul field for a survey scanner. That massive range bonus is very handy at actually directing your other mining ships, and the extra resists you get after 2x stacking penalties aren't all that great.

2. I'd drop the salvager unless you can run a T2; you can salvage with drones if need be. I'd consider replacing it with a tractor beam, which you get huge bonuses for, or any other utility high (probe launcher, another command burst, etc.).

3. I concur with Soel: drop the cargo rig and replace those remote armor reppers with remote shield boosters. For the rig, I'd consider replacing it with another shield extender rig, or maybe an agility rig. Alternatively, you could slap on a command processor rig and run a fourth command burst in that extra high slot you freed up in #2.

4. Get rid of that shield power relay. Your shield recharge rate isn't going to be any significant part of your tank, it's mostly going to be buffer, plus you're killing your cap. I'd consider replacing it with either a PDS to boost your shield and your cap, or an iStab to help with your agility. Alternatively, if you're still hurting for cap (you shouldn't be though), consider a cap relay.

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#5 - 2017-04-01 14:38:42 UTC
Silly question, why do you want to mine ore in a command ship with a ship hangar for mining ships?

I would understand mining in a Porpoise and I tried it once, was really fast to let the drones do it for you but an Orca?

What am I missing?

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Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2017-04-01 15:27:25 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Silly question, why do you want to mine ore in a command ship with a ship hangar for mining ships?

I would understand mining in a Porpoise and I tried it once, was really fast to let the drones do it for you but an Orca?

What am I missing?


that he is using it to boost a fleet :)
and orca > porpoise in boosting sector Cool
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#7 - 2017-04-01 15:28:54 UTC
Okay then all is good.

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Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2017-04-01 15:31:27 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Okay then all is good.


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Luthor Ikkala
Snow Moon City
Fraternity.
#9 - 2017-04-01 15:40:40 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Silly question, why do you want to mine ore in a command ship with a ship hangar for mining ships?

I would understand mining in a Porpoise and I tried it once, was really fast to let the drones do it for you but an Orca?

What am I missing?


Perhaps the fact that orca mines better? And is better booster if you fleet up with friends. Has enough tank to survive gank tries in hi-sec. do you need more reasons?
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2017-04-01 15:52:21 UTC
Luthor Ikkala wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
Silly question, why do you want to mine ore in a command ship with a ship hangar for mining ships?

I would understand mining in a Porpoise and I tried it once, was really fast to let the drones do it for you but an Orca?

What am I missing?


Perhaps the fact that orca mines better? And is better booster if you fleet up with friends. Has enough tank to survive gank tries in hi-sec. do you need more reasons?


he is noob... go easy on him pls Cool
Kathern Aurilen
#11 - 2017-04-01 17:15:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Kathern Aurilen
Bronson Hughes wrote:

Overall, you've got the right ideas. Strong local tank, plus fleet support capability. I would tweak a few things though:

1. I'd drop an invul field for a survey scanner. That massive range bonus is very handy at actually directing your other mining ships, and the extra resists you get after 2x stacking penalties aren't all that great.!

i like every bit of tank I can get. The fleet mods might not get a whole lot of use, I don't really have a whole lot in my corp, but I do sometimes hang with a few in my home system to mine with.
I plan on mining a lot all by myself, so I can either pull out my Mack or skiff(little slower than both) or mine with this alone and just screw off a while, so I can deal with no scanner. As far as the adapt shield... Am I better off just going with 4 flavors or just sticking with what I have?

Quote:
2. I'd drop the salvager unless you can run a T2; you can salvage with drones if need be. I'd consider replacing it with a tractor beam, which you get huge bonuses for, or any other utility high (probe launcher, another command burst, etc.).!

I was planning on packing a mobile tractor unit.
If I'm going to use salvage drones, if I don't forget, if I think ahead I can pack a full set of ice or mining drones. Where as with the salvage drone and not planning ahead, I can only pack 5 light attack, 4 miners, 3 ice drones.

Quote:
3. I concur with Soel: drop the cargo rig and replace those remote armor reppers with remote shield boosters. For the rig, I'd consider replacing it with another shield extender rig, or maybe an agility rig. Alternatively, you could slap on a command processor rig and run a fourth command burst in that extra high slot you freed up in #2.!
I kinda thought a shield extender too, when I put on the cargo rig. I thought about another command burst too...Meh, I'll still be by myself most times so skip it. I forgot about a probe launcher....maybe later.

Quote:
4. Get rid of that shield power relay. Your shield recharge rate isn't going to be any significant part of your tank, it's mostly going to be buffer, plus you're killing your cap. I'd consider replacing it with either a PDS to boost your shield and your cap, or an iStab to help with your agility. Alternatively, if you're still hurting for cap (you shouldn't be though), consider a cap relay.!
No not bad at all for caps, I can run a lil short if I run my reps and everything but I have a 6min buffer on it, so in good shape.

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#12 - 2017-04-01 21:05:04 UTC
Luthor Ikkala wrote:
....Perhaps the fact that orca mines better? And is better booster if you fleet up with friends. Has enough tank to survive gank tries in hi-sec. do you need more reasons?


Sorry my bad.

You must be right then. Flying a high-speed Orca at 10m/s would be much better than a t1 battlecruiser with 100% insurance going 1500m/s.

All this kiting must have gone in my head. Sitting still is the way to go.

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Kathern Aurilen
#13 - 2017-04-01 21:23:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Kathern Aurilen
[Orca, Fleet Orca] v2
Damage Control II
Warp Core Stabilizer I

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II. (Will the penalties still stack in this setup?)
EM Ward Field II
Thermal Dissipation Field II
Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Kinetic Deflection Field II

Mining Foreman Burst I, Mining Laser Optimization Charge
Shield Command Burst I, Shield Harmonizing Charge
Mining Foreman Burst I, Mining Laser Optimization Charge
Medium Remote Shield Booster I. (One of each should be able to cover a fleet)
Medium Remote Armor Repairer I
Core Probe Launcher I, Sister Core Scanner Probe

Large Core Defense Field Extender II
Large Drone Mining Augmentor II
Large Core Defense Field Extender II


Federation Navy Hobgoblin x5 (Without the Ice drones filling it up, I can throw a set of mids and a couple heavies)
Mining Drone II x5. (Change mining drones to ice as needed)
Salvage Drone I x1.


And mobile tractor unit.


I think this a do almost everything setup. Wth full skills this is 380k to 495k tank(depending on damage type). Plus this setup isn't really that expensive at all.

It isn't stable with the reps, but it will give me 6 mins of everything running time. So I'm very good shape cap wise.

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Kathern Aurilen
#14 - 2017-04-01 21:42:51 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Silly question, why do you want to mine ore in a command ship with a ship hangar for mining ships?

I would understand mining in a Porpoise and I tried it once, was really fast to let the drones do it for you but an Orca?

What am I missing?
there isn't anything wrong at all with a porpoise at all, but the orca has better burst mining drone bonuses. And bigger ore holds.

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Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2017-04-01 21:43:58 UTC
Kathern Aurilen wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
Silly question, why do you want to mine ore in a command ship with a ship hangar for mining ships?

I would understand mining in a Porpoise and I tried it once, was really fast to let the drones do it for you but an Orca?

What am I missing?
there isn't anything wrong at all with a porpoise at all, but the orca has better burst mining drone bonuses. And bigger ore holds.


bigger is better ikr?
every woman say that Cool
Kathern Aurilen
#16 - 2017-04-01 21:50:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Kathern Aurilen
With an Adapt shield and each a diffent flavor of hardener, do the stacking penalties still apply to each resist?

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermal Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II

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Luthor Ikkala
Snow Moon City
Fraternity.
#17 - 2017-04-02 04:19:21 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Luthor Ikkala wrote:
....Perhaps the fact that orca mines better? And is better booster if you fleet up with friends. Has enough tank to survive gank tries in hi-sec. do you need more reasons?


Sorry my bad.

You must be right then. Flying a high-speed Orca at 10m/s would be much better than a t1 battlecruiser with 100% insurance going 1500m/s.

All this kiting must have gone in my head. Sitting still is the way to go.

I can see this now.



Why are you talking about t1 Battlecruisers when we are talking about mining command ships and mining with them alone?
If i go to a belt with orca i dont want to move at all until ive cleared all the rocks near me.

as for the fit.

If you are planning to mine alone change the rigs.

go with large mining drone augmentors.

For the tank i cant give good options im still learning the game aswell!

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermal Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II

thats what i'd use.
Kathern Aurilen
#18 - 2017-04-02 04:39:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Kathern Aurilen
Luthor Ikkala wrote:


Why are you talking about t1 Battlecruisers when we are talking about mining command ships and mining with them alone?
If i go to a belt with orca i dont want to move at all until ive cleared all the rocks near me.

as for the fit.

If you are planning to mine alone change the rigs.

go with large mining drone augmentors.

For the tank i cant give good options im still learning the game aswell!

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermal Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II

thats what i'd use.
I'm thinking that too but its just going to have to be a all in one. I would nothing more than an all drone setup. But I have to keep it set for fleets... As rare as they are.

I'm not the best at armor buffering and hardeners. But I finally figured out how to Shield tank and shield buffer at https://o.smium.org

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#19 - 2017-04-03 23:51:19 UTC
Luthor Ikkala wrote:
...Why are you talking about t1 Battlecruisers when we are talking about mining command ships and mining with them alone?...


Porpoise - Industrial Command ship (battlecruiser class)

- rig size: medium
- mass 4.5 mega tons (small ship class wormhole size 5 mega tons and below)
- estimates cost: 55m
- align time: < 8s

Orca - Capital Industrial Command Ship (freighter class ship)

- rig size: large
- mass: Jupiter
- estimates price: 1b
- align time: 5d5h55m


Does anyone else see a "slight" difference?

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FootyMD
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#20 - 2017-04-04 00:13:36 UTC  |  Edited by: FootyMD
elitatwo wrote:
Luthor Ikkala wrote:
...Why are you talking about t1 Battlecruisers when we are talking about mining command ships and mining with them alone?...


Porpoise - Industrial Command ship (battlecruiser class)

- rig size: medium
- mass 4.5 mega tons (small ship class wormhole size 5 mega tons and below)
- estimates cost: 55m
- align time: < 8s

Orca - Capital Industrial Command Ship (freighter class ship)

- rig size: large
- mass: Jupiter
- estimates price: 1b
- align time: 5d5h55m


Does anyone else see a "slight" difference?





I get your making a joke here but you should try using the actual stats if you are going to try and make a comparison. Not to mention the orca can hold a ton more ore requiring less hulling
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