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The Larold
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#1 - 2017-03-31 14:44:39 UTC  |  Edited by: The Larold
EDIT: I don't care about faction or corporate standings in this case. At all. No one seems to be answering the question. Re-writing for clarity.

I'm curious -

On SiSi, I wanted to see if I could get my agent to refuse to talk to me. (Level 4). I did. I kept declining missions. Eventually he stopped talking to me. At that point, rating was -2.2

As far as I can tell, running missions for other agents in the corp / faction will NOT improve standings with that agent.

So, the question, which no one seems to be answering is...

* Once you have dropped a rating with agent X so low they won't talk to you, can you subsequently increase your rating with agent X, or are you screwed permanantly? *

UPDATE: I believe the answer is 'no - you are screwed' according to this article I finally found.

Thoughts?
mkint
#2 - 2017-03-31 16:05:23 UTC  |  Edited by: mkint
I'm not sure you can get an agent's standings that low.

There are 2 main things to keep in mind: First, an agent's *effective* standings are inherited from whatever the best standings are in their hierarchy: agent, corp, or faction, and are improved by skills. That is the number that actually matters with the agent.

Second, you can always access lvl 1 agents, career agents, and the epic arc with normal cooldown. Other than that, you need an effective standings of 1 3 5 7 for lvls 2 3 4 5, respectively. I'm not sure off the top of my head, but I think your -2.0 thing is if you hit that low of standings with a faction, you are limited to only lvl 1's regardless the effective standings you might otherwise have with an agent. I'm not sure on that though, or if the cutoff is actually -2.0 if there even is one. Ever since I figured out how easy it is to avoid badly negative standings, I think my knowledge of low negative has gotten really rusty.

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Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#3 - 2017-03-31 16:08:12 UTC
You can always run level 1 missions. Higher level agents won't talk to you if your faction standing drops below -2. More info: https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Faction_Standings
The Larold
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#4 - 2017-03-31 16:55:04 UTC
Do Little wrote:
You can always run level 1 missions. Higher level agents won't talk to you if your faction standing drops below -2. More info: https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Faction_Standings


Yes, but running level 1 missions and slowly grinding up faction standings won't improve standings with the agent in question.
(As far as I know.)
The Larold
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#5 - 2017-03-31 16:56:34 UTC
mkint wrote:
I'm not sure you can get an agent's standings that low.

There are 2 main things to keep in mind: First, an agent's *effective* standings are inherited from whatever the best standings are in their hierarchy: agent, corp, or faction, and are improved by skills. That is the number that actually matters with the agent.

Second, you can always access lvl 1 agents, career agents, and the epic arc with normal cooldown. Other than that, you need an effective standings of 1 3 5 7 for lvls 2 3 4 5, respectively. I'm not sure off the top of my head, but I think your -2.0 thing is if you hit that low of standings with a faction, you are limited to only lvl 1's regardless the effective standings you might otherwise have with an agent. I'm not sure on that though, or if the cutoff is actually -2.0 if there even is one. Ever since I figured out how easy it is to avoid badly negative standings, I think my knowledge of low negative has gotten really rusty.


I tested on SiSi. I consistently declined missions and eventually the agent wouldn't talk to me any more. At that point, my agent standing was -2.2

I don't see faction / corp standings boosts correlating to that agent's standing boosts, so I am curious if I am stuck permanantly at -2.2
Francis Raven
GeoCorp.
The Initiative.
#6 - 2017-03-31 17:03:00 UTC
• Dont decline missions with a single agent more than once every 4 hours. If you decline a mission with an agent, find another agent nearby of the same faction so that you can continue running missions. Declining missions more than once every 4 hours will result in a standings drop.

• You can always access level 1 agents, regardless of standings.

• DO run level missions. The standings will come from the "special" missions you get everytime you complete 8 regular missions. These are when you get a message from an agent saying "I am in need of your services...please meet me a X station". ALWAYS run those, they give you good standing increases.

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mkint
#7 - 2017-03-31 18:31:53 UTC
The Larold wrote:
mkint wrote:
I'm not sure you can get an agent's standings that low.

There are 2 main things to keep in mind: First, an agent's *effective* standings are inherited from whatever the best standings are in their hierarchy: agent, corp, or faction, and are improved by skills. That is the number that actually matters with the agent.

Second, you can always access lvl 1 agents, career agents, and the epic arc with normal cooldown. Other than that, you need an effective standings of 1 3 5 7 for lvls 2 3 4 5, respectively. I'm not sure off the top of my head, but I think your -2.0 thing is if you hit that low of standings with a faction, you are limited to only lvl 1's regardless the effective standings you might otherwise have with an agent. I'm not sure on that though, or if the cutoff is actually -2.0 if there even is one. Ever since I figured out how easy it is to avoid badly negative standings, I think my knowledge of low negative has gotten really rusty.


I tested on SiSi. I consistently declined missions and eventually the agent wouldn't talk to me any more. At that point, my agent standing was -2.2

I don't see faction / corp standings boosts correlating to that agent's standing boosts, so I am curious if I am stuck permanantly at -2.2


Your agent standings is -2.2 and your corp/faction are still high enough for the agent to talk to you? It should inherit the highest standings and still be available (unless I'm missing some of the nuances.) If it's not, you could always tag along with someone else working for that agent.

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The Larold
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#8 - 2017-03-31 18:38:29 UTC
mkint wrote:
The Larold wrote:
mkint wrote:
I'm not sure you can get an agent's standings that low.

There are 2 main things to keep in mind: First, an agent's *effective* standings are inherited from whatever the best standings are in their hierarchy: agent, corp, or faction, and are improved by skills. That is the number that actually matters with the agent.

Second, you can always access lvl 1 agents, career agents, and the epic arc with normal cooldown. Other than that, you need an effective standings of 1 3 5 7 for lvls 2 3 4 5, respectively. I'm not sure off the top of my head, but I think your -2.0 thing is if you hit that low of standings with a faction, you are limited to only lvl 1's regardless the effective standings you might otherwise have with an agent. I'm not sure on that though, or if the cutoff is actually -2.0 if there even is one. Ever since I figured out how easy it is to avoid badly negative standings, I think my knowledge of low negative has gotten really rusty.


I tested on SiSi. I consistently declined missions and eventually the agent wouldn't talk to me any more. At that point, my agent standing was -2.2

I don't see faction / corp standings boosts correlating to that agent's standing boosts, so I am curious if I am stuck permanantly at -2.2


Your agent standings is -2.2 and your corp/faction are still high enough for the agent to talk to you? It should inherit the highest standings and still be available (unless I'm missing some of the nuances.) If it's not, you could always tag along with someone else working for that agent.


Indeed, I confirmed he won't talk to me anymore. (Just for kicks, tried requesting a mission like 20 times. Did /booststandings command on SiSi, logged out, logged back in, still -2.2. Still won't give me missions.)

However, love your idea of running missions with someone running for that agent.
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#9 - 2017-03-31 18:41:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Do Little
There are several ways to quickly improve standings. The SOE epic arc will boost standings by 8% for the faction of your choice - you can run it every 90 days. You can run career missions for that faction (7.5% standing boost) there are 3 sets of career agents per faction. You can run missions for their ally i.e. run Amarr missions for derived standing boost with Caldari. Grinding level 1 missions is the hard way - only the storylines help with faction standing. https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/evelopedia/index.php/Faction_Standing_Repair_Plan

Edit: Forgot the obvious: train social skills!
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#10 - 2017-03-31 19:21:56 UTC
People are getting confused.

For NPCs:
* Faction standing
* Corporation standing
* Agent standing

There is no way to increase agent standing, that I know of, if the agent won't talk to you.

This has long been a problem, since it is easy to lose agent standing.

It is common to lose research agents because of this.
mkint
#11 - 2017-03-31 19:48:31 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
People are getting confused.

For NPCs:
* Faction standing
* Corporation standing
* Agent standing

There is no way to increase agent standing, that I know of, if the agent won't talk to you.

This has long been a problem, since it is easy to lose agent standing.

It is common to lose research agents because of this.

When doing a mission in fleet, all agent and corp standings gains are shared. So yes, you can get standings from the agent, you just can't get missions from the agent, so you'll need help.

@OP, doesn't matter if you don't want to think about corp/faction. They still affect the agent, because as far as I know, you never (or almost never) deal with the agent -> character relationship on its own. You deal with agent effective -> character, which can cover a lot of possible relationships, including corp or faction to your own player corp, and includes skills. I'd still like to know if nuking your agent standings also nuked your corp standings to below the point of access, because it might have nothing to do with the agent -> character being lower than -2.0, and might just be a matter of corp -> player or faction -> player being too low. Also, most people focus on corp standings so that's what you're going to hear about most, like it or not.

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The Larold
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#12 - 2017-03-31 19:59:32 UTC
mkint wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
People are getting confused.

For NPCs:
* Faction standing
* Corporation standing
* Agent standing

There is no way to increase agent standing, that I know of, if the agent won't talk to you.

This has long been a problem, since it is easy to lose agent standing.

It is common to lose research agents because of this.

When doing a mission in fleet, all agent and corp standings gains are shared. So yes, you can get standings from the agent, you just can't get missions from the agent, so you'll need help.

@OP, doesn't matter if you don't want to think about corp/faction. They still affect the agent, because as far as I know, you never (or almost never) deal with the agent -> character relationship on its own. You deal with agent effective -> character, which can cover a lot of possible relationships, including corp or faction to your own player corp, and includes skills. I'd still like to know if nuking your agent standings also nuked your corp standings to below the point of access, because it might have nothing to do with the agent -> character being lower than -2.0, and might just be a matter of corp -> player or faction -> player being too low. Also, most people focus on corp standings so that's what you're going to hear about most, like it or not.


I'll log into sisi this weekend and double-check corp and faction standings, but I am 95% sure they were fine.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#13 - 2017-03-31 20:24:07 UTC
mkint wrote:
I'd still like to know if nuking your agent standings also nuked your corp standings to below the point of access, because it might have nothing to do with the agent -> character being lower than -2.0, and might just be a matter of corp -> player or faction -> player being too low. Also, most people focus on corp standings so that's what you're going to hear about most, like it or not.

Your faction and / or corp standing can be +10.0 and the agent will not talk to you if your agent standing is negative.

After that though, it is the highest of faction OR corp standing that determines access to agents.

Low agent standing only affects that one agent.
Zarek Kree
Lunatic Legion Holdings
#14 - 2017-03-31 20:36:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarek Kree
Tau Cabalander wrote:
People are getting confused.

For NPCs:
* Faction standing
* Corporation standing
* Agent standing

There is no way to increase agent standing, that I know of, if the agent won't talk to you.

This has long been a problem, since it is easy to lose agent standing.

It is common to lose research agents because of this.



This is not correct from my personal experience. When I first began blitzing L4 missions (before I could run the burners), I pressed my luck declining missions and dropped my agent standing below -2.0 a couple of times. Both times, I simply ran missions for another agent in the same corp until I got storyline missions that subsequently raised my corp standings, which subsequently gave a small standings bump to all agents within that corp. As I recall, I only had to get one storyline mission each time to get me back above -2.0 with my preferred mission agent - though if OP is at -2.2, I suspect it would take 2-3 storyline missions.

Perhaps this is a recent change. I can't find an independent source to verify it, but I'm very certain of my personal experience. It should be easy enough to confirm by checking agent standings gains after a storyline mission though.
Zarek Kree
Lunatic Legion Holdings
#15 - 2017-03-31 20:49:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Zarek Kree
mkint wrote:
They still affect the agent, because as far as I know, you never (or almost never) deal with the agent -> character relationship on its own.


People who blitz missions deal with this extensively. You commonly have very high faction and corp standings, but because you're declining so many missions from the same agent, you can still end up with -2.0 agent standings if you aren't careful (despite having 8+ standings with the faction and corp). Blitzers rarely care about their faction and corp standings (because they're always high) - it's the agent standings alone that you really care about and have to manage.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2017-03-31 23:02:25 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
First and foremost to easily repair negative standings, train up the Diplomacy skill.

Quote:
Diplomacy :
Skill at interacting with hostile Agents in order to de-escalate tense situations as demonstrated by some of the finest diplomats in New Eden. 4% Modifier per level to effective standing towards hostile Agents. Not cumulative with Connections or Criminal Connections

All NPC Agents, Corporations and Factions accept standings for access that have been modified by the Social group skills.

To quickly gain high standings for Agent access, train up Social and Connections skills.

Quote:
Connections :
Skill at interacting with friendly NPCs. 4% Modifier to effective standing from friendly NPC Corporations and Factions per level. Not cumulative with Diplomacy or Criminal Connections.
Quote:
Social :
Skill at social interaction. 5% bonus per level to NPC Agent, Corporation and Faction standing increase.

If using Faction standing to access high level Agents, the Corporation must be above -2.00 standing.
If using Corporation standing to access high level Agents, the Faction must be above -2.00 standing.
If using Agent standing for access, Faction and Corporation standing must be above -2.00 standing.

Regardless of Faction and or Corporation standing, Level 1 Agents are always available as long as that Agent is above -2.00 standing.

mkint is correct - NPC Agent and Corporation standing is shared with all Fleet members. To raise a specific Agent above -2.00 standing, Fleet with another character who is working that Agent and select option to share mission rewards with Fleet members.

Storyline missions are offered after completing 16 missions of the same level for a specific Faction. Doesn't matter if the 16 missions are completed for the same Corporation or different Corporations within that Faction, they just have to be the same level.

Do Little is correct - Grinding level 1 missions to gain Storyline offers for Faction standing increase is the hard way. Here is a better link to the Faction Standing Repair Plan.

OK, I think that's about it.



DMC

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#17 - 2017-04-07 00:46:46 UTC
find someone with access to that agent and share mission rewards, bam you can talk to them again ezpz

I accidentally my standings to -1.97 once and it showed as effective standings -2 in the agent window but he would still talk to me. Lets just say I decline a lot of missions. I cherry pick only the best missions, never went under -2. The standings mechanics are super easy to abuse.

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#18 - 2017-04-07 00:51:30 UTC
Francis Raven wrote:
• Dont decline missions with a single agent more than once every 4 hours. If you decline a mission with an agent, find another agent nearby of the same faction so that you can continue running missions. Declining missions more than once every 4 hours will result in a standings drop.

• You can always access level 1 agents, regardless of standings.

• DO run level missions. The standings will come from the "special" missions you get everytime you complete 8 regular missions. These are when you get a message from an agent saying "I am in need of your services...please meet me a X station". ALWAYS run those, they give you good standing increases.

the hit to faction/corp standings is tiny for declining a mission inside the window, and the change to agent standings is only a bit bigger, but by completing a few missions you easily gain any loss back.

you can always run lv1s sure, but that does nothing to help standings with another agent, also lv1s are rather boring and that is a heck of a lot of grinding, better to run for a faction that is friendly and get the derived standings boosts.

combat storylines give good boosts, and mats for war is an easy implant, the courier story lines however are a pain in the butt and don't give good boosts though so I decline those ones. If you can fly a blockade runner or DST they might be worth doing, but probably better off skipping them. the 40,000m3 one had decent rewards last time I ran it, but again need a big hauler for that.

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Nicola Romanoff
Phoenix Connection
#19 - 2017-04-07 08:03:34 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Francis Raven wrote:
• Dont decline missions with a single agent more than once every 4 hours. If you decline a mission with an agent, find another agent nearby of the same faction so that you can continue running missions. Declining missions more than once every 4 hours will result in a standings drop.

• You can always access level 1 agents, regardless of standings.

• DO run level missions. The standings will come from the "special" missions you get everytime you complete 8 regular missions. These are when you get a message from an agent saying "I am in need of your services...please meet me a X station". ALWAYS run those, they give you good standing increases.

the hit to faction/corp standings is tiny for declining a mission inside the window, and the change to agent standings is only a bit bigger, but by completing a few missions you easily gain any loss back.

you can always run lv1s sure, but that does nothing to help standings with another agent, also lv1s are rather boring and that is a heck of a lot of grinding, better to run for a faction that is friendly and get the derived standings boosts.

combat storylines give good boosts, and mats for war is an easy implant, the courier story lines however are a pain in the butt and don't give good boosts though so I decline those ones. If you can fly a blockade runner or DST they might be worth doing, but probably better off skipping them. the 40,000m3 one had decent rewards last time I ran it, but again need a big hauler for that.


DST would run the 40k m3 mission, the fleet hamger is 60k on my DST, you just have to unload it from the hold to complete the mission rather than completing the mission with it in the hold.