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Fitting for Hauler Ships (Iteron Mark V)

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Zack Azthor
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2017-03-23 15:06:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Zack Azthor
I read some fitting instructions and noticed that what they mostly recommend are Cloaking devices and lots of hardener modules to increase EHP. I am an Alpha Clone and I do not have access to Cloaking modules, so bad for me. Should I fit a MWD or an AB for my Iteron? Furthermore, I noticed that people like to fit the Expanded Cargohold modules, but why aren't they fitting stabs? What if I were scrambled? Also, how do I know which type of resistance I should pick? Or should I just go for the ones that increase resistancy to everything? Oh and I'm trying to use Iteron to haul to Dodixie, items worth about 20M ISK. All the routes to Dodixie are hisecs.

I have also read about "suicide gankers" in Hisec. One thing I do not comprehend is that if they do destroy my ship in Hisec, then they are flagged as criminal and will be destroyed by CONCORD. Then why would they attack me? Can't I just ride another ship to my wreck and salvage whatever is left? Or do they have specual mechanics? I'm sorry if I'm asking a plain obvious question, so be patient with me xD Sorry oncr again.
Kaorixx Midumulf
Three Glades Private School
#2 - 2017-03-23 15:54:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaorixx Midumulf
[Iteron Mark V, *Simulated Iteron Mark V]
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender


Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I






Try that on for size, it has all alpha modules.

As for suicide gankers, I feel it is my duty to inform you that in eve, you are safe NOWHERE
They can, and will kill you to extract your frustration. They like it. And I don't blame them.
Eve is a sandbox, and you will get all sorts of people here. People will try to kill you, scam you, recruit you, get you kicked from corp, or any number of other things. We hope you enjoy your stay.
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#3 - 2017-03-23 17:14:36 UTC
Suicide gankers will usually have a hauler with them to loot your wreck and a scout to scan your cargo to make sure they have a reasonable chance of profiting from the gank. If the value of your cargo is substantially greater than the value of their ship, you are a potential target.

My recommendation is to fly a Nereus which is a lot faster and more agile than the Iteron V.
- Fit enough passive tank to absorb an Alpha shot from a Tornado. A DCU2, EM ward amplifier and a couple of Extenders should do it.
- Fit enough cargo rigs/modules for the cargo you intend to carry, if there are any slots left over fit agility modules.
- Never carry more than you can afford to lose, don't carry more than 100 million ISK in a T1 industrial even if you can afford to lose it.
- Don't autopilot. You will be a lot harder to catch if you are actually flying your ship.
- Build an occasional loss into your business plan - it will happen.

Remember that destruction is a necessary part of the Eve economy - things don't wear out or go obsolete!

Note that these recommendations apply to highsec. If you intend to travel in places where CONCORD won't come to the rescue you'll need a T2 Nereus (Viator) to travel with any degree of safety. You'll also need a subscription since Alphas don't have access to the required skills.
Gerinomo Tsuruomo
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2017-03-23 19:52:46 UTC
To address some of your specific questions:

Why don't people fit stabs? For one stabs can be overcome and in a hisec you will be dealing with a group. Two - gankers often go with bumping haulers out of alignment to prevent warping instead of scrambling. Three - people using cloaks would be more likely to go with a MWD+cloak maneuver instead of stabs.

Which resistance? Omni resistance is rarely a bad idea but ganking is often done with blaster fits which are kinetic & thermal.

As an alpha as it is for omegas your best defense is knowledge. Use tools that are available to look for hot spots on your planned route and go around them. Learn what gankers look for in targets. At 20 million in an actively flown industrial you probably fairly safe.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#5 - 2017-03-23 23:00:52 UTC
Gerinomo Tsuruomo wrote:
At 20 million in an actively flown industrial you probably fairly safe.

at 20m the ganker is losing isk waiting out the criminal timer.

also consider flying a Nereus instead, I rarely need more than 10k m3 of cargo room, and it can fit a pretty decent tank at the same time.
[Nereus, shield buffer]
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Kathern Aurilen
#6 - 2017-03-24 04:45:49 UTC
You can always maximize your cargo fit if your hauling low price bigger cargo. But if your hauling more expensive smaller items, I would rather put a tank. This a 20.6k with almost Max alpha skills against a catalyst damage. I could do better but I'm a lil nervous about leaving the EM uncovered.

[Iteron Mark V, Iteron Mark V]
Damage Control II
Vigor Compact Micro Auxiliary Power Core
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

Thermal Dissipation Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Large 'Sheriff' Shield Extender
[empty med slot]

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II




No cuts, no butts, no coconuts!

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Alasdan Helminthauge
AirHogs
Hogs Collective
#7 - 2017-03-24 05:05:24 UTC
I think that they use tornadoes more than catalysts to gank the haulers, so it would be a must to fit an omni tank (or at least close that EM hole). But of course 20M isn't worth a tornado (even not very worth a catalyst), so you're pretty ok.
If you're hauling some thing with very high value but very low volume (like Elite Drone AIs, salvage meterials, blueprints, implants, high-grade tags, or factional/DED modules), use an interceptor instead. For alphas, shuttle is also ok in hi-sec, as well as the T1 version of interceptors with inertial stabilizers, as long as it can align in 2 seconds and doesn't go to null-sec. AND NEVER AUTOPILOT IT.
Kathern Aurilen
#8 - 2017-03-24 19:55:04 UTC
Alasdan Helminthauge wrote:
I think that they use tornadoes more than catalysts to gank the haulers, so it would be a must to fit an omni tank (or at least close that EM hole). But of course 20M isn't worth a tornado (even not very worth a catalyst), so you're pretty ok.
If you're hauling some thing with very high value but very low volume (like Elite Drone AIs, salvage meterials, blueprints, implants, high-grade tags, or factional/DED modules), use an interceptor instead. For alphas, shuttle is also ok in hi-sec, as well as the T1 version of interceptors with inertial stabilizers, as long as it can align in 2 seconds and doesn't go to null-sec. AND NEVER AUTOPILOT IT.

Im glad you made me give my anti cat fit, this is 20k ehp(21k ehp vs cats). And a small afterburner one cycle to help get you up to speed.

[Iteron Mark V, Unnamed loadout]
Damage Control II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Vigor Compact Micro Auxiliary Power Core

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
1MN Afterburner I
Large Shield Extender II

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Ancillary Current Router II


No cuts, no butts, no coconuts!

Forum alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew!

Zack Azthor
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2017-03-25 05:04:50 UTC
Thanks for all the reply. I guess I don't need to worry since my ship value is so small. Nevertheless, I'll try the fits to see which one I like most!
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#10 - 2017-03-25 06:35:50 UTC
Alasdan Helminthauge wrote:
I think that they use tornadoes more than catalysts to gank the haulers, so it would be a must to fit an omni tank (or at least close that EM hole). But of course 20M isn't worth a tornado (even not very worth a catalyst), so you're pretty ok.
If you're hauling some thing with very high value but very low volume (like Elite Drone AIs, salvage meterials, blueprints, implants, high-grade tags, or factional/DED modules), use an interceptor instead. For alphas, shuttle is also ok in hi-sec, as well as the T1 version of interceptors with inertial stabilizers, as long as it can align in 2 seconds and doesn't go to null-sec. AND NEVER AUTOPILOT IT.

i advise against shuttles. with an instalocking ship I can lock and cargo scan a shuttle while it undocks and tries to warp on most stations, easy to blap with a smartbomb ship as you warp to the gate. slightly harder to catch with a thrasher, but shuttles have such low hp if they do get a shot off it will probably kill it. the odds aren't great but if you land just off the gate out of jump range they have a chance.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Alasdan Helminthauge
AirHogs
Hogs Collective
#11 - 2017-03-25 08:00:06 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Alasdan Helminthauge wrote:
I think that they use tornadoes more than catalysts to gank the haulers, so it would be a must to fit an omni tank (or at least close that EM hole). But of course 20M isn't worth a tornado (even not very worth a catalyst), so you're pretty ok.
If you're hauling some thing with very high value but very low volume (like Elite Drone AIs, salvage meterials, blueprints, implants, high-grade tags, or factional/DED modules), use an interceptor instead. For alphas, shuttle is also ok in hi-sec, as well as the T1 version of interceptors with inertial stabilizers, as long as it can align in 2 seconds and doesn't go to null-sec. AND NEVER AUTOPILOT IT.

i advise against shuttles. with an instalocking ship I can lock and cargo scan a shuttle while it undocks and tries to warp on most stations, easy to blap with a smartbomb ship as you warp to the gate. slightly harder to catch with a thrasher, but shuttles have such low hp if they do get a shot off it will probably kill it. the odds aren't great but if you land just off the gate out of jump range they have a chance.


instal dock/undock bookmarks and 0m from gate bookmarks would save that Pirate
Marcus Binchiette
Federal Vanguard
#12 - 2017-03-27 14:55:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Binchiette
The Iteron V is a poor ship choice for hauling. The strength of it's armour, and limited CPU, and powergrid, mean that it cannot fit defensive modules. It is a very easy target for any ganker and WILL be destroyed. In addition to this it has poor align time and agility, which prevent it from using MWD + Cloak tactics.

With these limitations in mind the Iteron V is simply not suited to busy trade routes, and should only be used on short regional hauls where the risk of attack is minimal, and the cargo capacity is absolutely required. Generally speaking you should fit it with maximum cargo expanders to get the full 20,000 m3 capacity. Anything less than 10,000 m3 you should be hauling with a Nereus.

The Nereus is the preferred tech 1 transport for hauling. It is fast agile, and most importantly, can be fitted with a reasonable defence. When configured for maximum cargo it can carry 10,000 m3, and when fitted for maximum defence it boasts 30,000 eHP. With the CPU and powergrid to fit cloaking device and MWD. When it comes to hauling expensive small volume items this ship will get the job done - and you will be amazed at how much damage it can take.

The best advice on fittings is to carry a small cargo container, and fill it with extra modules. I recommend you carry 5 cargo expander II, 4 warp core stabilisers, 1 Damage Control II, 2 Reinforced Bulkhead II, 1 Nanofibre II, 2 Inertial Stabilisers, and 1 Overdive. Adjust your ships lowslot configuration to suit the mission. Fit DCU and bulkheads for strength. Fit Nano, inertial stabilisers, and overdrive for speed. Fit warp core stabilisers for lowsec, and use only the minimum number of cargo expanders to carry the required cargo. The Damage Control II should be the first module you put on, and the last one you take off that ship.
Jacques d'Orleans
#13 - 2017-03-30 17:18:39 UTC
Zack Azthor wrote:
Thanks for all the reply. I guess I don't need to worry since my ship value is so small. Nevertheless, I'll try the fits to see which one I like most!


Obligatory addition:

Don't fly afk. (Yeah, I know, they never do that...)
Avoid systems like Tama and Amamake, they are almost 24/7 gatecamped.
If your route is set, take a look at the star map, if there are orange/red circles around the trade hubs or down your route, try to find another route or transport your goods later.
Have Instadock/ Insta undock bookmarks for every trade hub you visit and use them.
Put the usual suspects on "orange" or "red" in your contacts list so you can see them.




Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#14 - 2017-03-30 19:19:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Tech 1 haulers will pop if you look at them funny.

There isn't much you can do in the way of fitting them.

It also doesn't make sense to fit more ISK in modules than the ship is worth.

I use T1 haulers to move stuff between citadels and engineering complexes located in the the same system, or to collect PI products. For longer hauls, I use other ships.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#15 - 2017-03-30 21:53:11 UTC
I always only fit for agility and choose the more agile haulers which basically rules out Caldari.

I got locked once in 6 years and jumped before anything bad happened.

Oh, and don't fly afk.

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