Crime & Punishment

So I take it that the rest of those guys will keep running the bar. Do you plan to run something similar yourself, according to your own vision, or will you just move on?

Cheers and best of luck to you both.

I tried that a few years ago after BB was butchered by Jayne and co. but couldn't quite get it running due to real life constraints. Building up a NPSI community takes more than a good-willed person with an idea. It takes a crapton of marketing (which I really, really, really suck at) and a boatload of work (which I didn't have the time for).
The group that I wanted to create was Menzoberranyr (channel still exists, though it's been dead for over 3 years). Basically a improved version of what BB was, which strived to offer more fleet variety, including combat blops fleets to a select few proven people.
The only part of Menzo that ever was active at all is the combat blops department, but not in the way that was envisioned. We're a tightly shut off close-knit NPSI blops group of a handful of competent people and the only way to get in is proven combat expertise and a vouch.. But even that group hasn't been active in a while now. Just a channel for shittalking these days.


Olmeca and I both recognize how much work it is to create a NPSI community and keep it running and neither one of us currently has the spare time nor willpower for that. This may or may not change in the future.

It's a shame it's all turned toilet. BB was one of those things in Eve that I always wanted to try but never got around to doing.

We got our personal issues in BB but they still have some of the best cloaky FCs in this game. I'm just one guy. I will have fun killing some of their fleets when I have the time but one person won't be able to shut all their fleets down. So just try it. They are still nice people with unique content to offer. It becomes problematic only when you become part of the leadership, realize how much better it could have been, realize you are powerless to push them to be better, then begin having personal problems the more you voice your opinion. That has nothing to do with a newbro's experience so again, just try it.

All big entities need a shared power structure, yet it seems best ones in Eve are dictatorships which are run by smart, visionary people, and sharing wealth and resources seems to be enough for a common ground for null entities. Do you need to share more power in NPSI? Spectre seems to be doing fine (from the outside), due to a more dictatorial structure compared to BB. That's probably because Jayne is such a visionary. We tried a more democratic but also without creating too much bureaucratic structure, because that was how Tempelman found BB. That was also Nova's favorite way of managing BB and he wouldn't let anyone change that. I tried to push a little but man was tiring.

Democracy led to constant making of bad management decisions, resulting in an overall stale situation. Many problems went unaddressed. No bureaucracy led to no area specialization and no conflict resolution system.

Former meant people arbitrarily intervening with jobs that are being done that has nothing to do with them, or which they were no part of, which often made everything a slow painful process and caused lots of arguing. It also led to people doing stuff that others wanted to do (making/promoting a video of a good bombing run, when FC wants to make his own without your knowledge), more conflict.

Latter is the literal reason why me and Linus are out. Everyone is supposed to be equals in BB leadership, yet nobody knows what happens when someone allegedly does something wrong. Two random FCs started a conversation on slack and kicked me because I didn't give them a website. One FC took it on himself to kick Linus. All leading to this much harm. Maybe we could have solved issues if we had a defined process of what would happen. Hell, maybe I would stop posting on reddit about PL and give them the domain if I knew the sanction was getting kicked from my WH as well as getting banned, regardless of how unfair I would think these sanctions are. But nothing is really defined.

Nova thought less bureaucracy is really cool so here we are. This is yet another example on why I keep saying BB leadership lacks vision. I hope they read this and learn a little bit. BB will go on. Despite my awoxes or whatever, they still got great FCs, and will provide good content, often thanks to prior efforts of people like me. They will just not be what they could have been, but that's OK.

This is not a surprise at all really. Democracy irl and in games pretty much always fails in the end. 10 people with good intentions < 1 person with a vision and a few loyal captains.

I hope BB sorts itself out, but that probably won't happen at this point. Sometimes, the best thing is to start over.

I suppose Democracy has a chance of working in peacetime (irl), but has absolutely no chance of working in a war situation. Even nominal 'democracies' in wartime have had to allow for 'streamlining the decision-making process', in order to be functional in the drastically altered environment.

In EVE - where war is a hard-wired constant - it's most unlikely that decisions relating to warmongering will be subject to broad discussion and balloting. Fine for the day-to-day non-critical stuff, perhaps.

I wasn't good enough of a bomber pilot to fly with BB. :(

As far as democracy goes, I like to quote Winston Churchill ( at least I think he said this...), who said "Democracy is the absolute worst form of government. But we have tried all the rest....."

YMMV

It is pathetic if you have to tell such a story by yourself.
If someone accuses you of it via C&P then I can harvest some tears and the perp gets some credit and reputation.
Like this it is just sad.