EVE Fiction

Better explanation below:

Also, Hamish, you tried to tell me this 4 or 5 years ago, and I blew you off. This is my apology.

You know what, you're right. I hope some people got enjoyment from seeing me butthurt. So I'll blank the above post.

But that is kinda my point. Falcon has no way BUT to make butthurt, and in my opinion, here is why:

In a competitive game like Eve Online, you derive enjoyment from winning. How do you know if you've won? Well, you put effort forward and achieved your objective. How do you know if you lost? Well, you didn't achieve your objective.

So, if your RP side wins in the story, you feel great for a moment, but it isn't truly a "win", because it was Falcon that did it, not you. CCP made the storyline. But if your side is the one that lost, you feel that just like if it was your own failure, because perception of loss doesn't need to involve effort. There's a reason "well, you tried" is such an empty comfort.

So, when RPing a side, Falcon is always going to end up screwing you. And it's always going to appear that he is, especially if he's fair. I don't think he is fair, in the fictional treatment of the sides, but hey, why should he be? It's his (well, CCP's game), not mine. He's the artist, not me. If I hate it so much, I can **** off. And, for a little while, because I was a crybaby, I did.

That little realization revealed to me that complaining about toxic players and RP doesn't do much when one is the toxic RP. And, then, thinking about it, I realized that my best moments in EvE were, and have been, the interpersonal and exploding things moments. In other words, the EvE storyline is not your friend, or even your enemy. It's fluff, literally. It gives flavor. It's not what makes the game fun, at least not for me.

So, because I'm a moron, I was walking away from gameplay I enjoyed, because of a storyline that was only ever intended as instrumental to the enjoyment of the game, not the core of it. Oops.

From this perspective, now, getting involved in RP, at least factional RP, was probably a pretty big mistake. I spent a few years of play getting no better (ok, a little better) at the game, and not doing much of what I enjoyed, trying to "win" something that couldn't be won and that other people told me I was taking too seriously. Oops again.

I got two of my friends to try EvE, or at least told them about it. One of them, IIRC, I tried to get into Caldari loyalism. He's gone. The other? Well, he went into EvE Uni, and eventually got me to join Pancakes (I was in Horde before). I think he'll be here for years.

EvE isn't supposed to be about the Empires. I don't even think it's about stories of alliances and grudges. EvE is at its best when, for example, I'm flying in my first cruiser nano-gang ever last night, and having a blast even though we didn't kill much (and I lost a Phantasm on an accel gate because I'm stupid, lol). It's a really great wide-open sandbox with tons of fun things to do, and I think that CCP have done great work to improve the game (Citadels are awesome, btw).

Yes, I found your "it's just a job, and I can criticize my employer" attitude quite interesting, when I was still reading the IGS much. For all I know, the toxicity in the RP community has died down, and I'm full of ****. But I'm not eager to contribute to it again.

I think some of the best stories have come out of people writing character stories, as Ciarente used to do. I used to think that was wishy-washy and niche. Now I think it was wisdom.

What the hell is going on in this thread.

I certainly didn't think in 2011 that I would one day enjoy RP, nor did I think in 2013 that I would one day enjoy industry. Kind of a quirk of this game I guess, fun hiding in unexpected places as our interests ebb and flow. That the formal backdrop of New Eden remains indifferent to our efforts as players and characters is not surprising; "what's past is prologue." We can use it as a jumping off point for our stories, on rare occasion influencing the stage in meagre fashion, but mostly we can only influence each other. We aren't bound to that history as we are to the community of players, but on a personal level, I like characters and the metaplot provides them with context. It's up to me to succeed or fail at engaging others with that character.

I'm probably just echoing the others here.

In any case, OP, I'm glad that you're still around and enjoying EVE how you want to enjoy it. As a side note, I hope that you continue your other fiction projects.

For those people like me who liked the original OP, Eve-Search and Chribba ARE our friend, unlike the storyline and V.

http://eve-search.com/thread/515354-1#1

Vikarion also has a damn good point that I agree with.

As you may have noticed, choosing an existing side will yield you effects that Falcon will probably bestrow upon you.

So isn't it better to choose the side that Falcon never heard of and never will be glad to pick up?

Just a bit of imagination would be needed to create an independent wing that fights and wins on the chosen frontier. When fleshed out in the game, you give assets to corpmates and they pursue an idea. The leader leads by example and fights on the front line for the cause. Fill cargo bays with minerals and produce cruisers for the army, it does not matter what army. You can win this war no matter which side wins.

I have just one question. What point was it that Vikarion was claiming CCP was preaching?

Do you even fiction bro?

This is a game, telling a story that is not real. There is no "gloryfiying" a behaviour by talking about it. Only people with psychic suffering and people not used to literacy mix the line between the fiction of a story and the reality.

Like the World of Darkness, they chose to tell mature stories that show how much gray exists on the actions of human beings, for good or bad. This is not a child´s game, no wonder the avarage age of the players was 33 or something.

And todays touchy climate, what do you mean by that? Are you are talking about the claiming of rights by groups of people that don´t accept being stomped upon anymore?

You can talk about subjects in a manner in a tasteful way or you can talk in a way that opresses people. There are plenty of lore touching very delicate issues like abuse, necrophfily, torture, murder and so on, and the mature audience can handle it. Nothing like the misoginy of the term "**** cage" that used(?) to be said about the pre combat on a POS.

Anyway, this kind of thinking is for people who needs to read more books and train their thought patterns to differentiate reality from fiction.

As Aristoteles said 'It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.'

Math background or just friends with latim ?

It was a question about your statement "today's touchy climate". What would this be?



That is for you to know. Some people read a book and enjoy the make believe, some people read it as truth and try to act on it. The focus here is the person, not the text. The text is just a bunch of characters forming sentences.




Define "far" and "near".

Glad you found the balance point that suits your needs.



Example ?