Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Valuable service slots? You just put up a cheap Raitaru that is dedicated for that purpose.

I wish I could find something to add to this but the first two responses pretty much summed things up.

Sometimes responses make me laugh. Cost of a capital ship 1.2 bil, cost of a Fortizar 12 bil plus slots, rigs, and fuel. That is more than a factor of 10 difference. Do you actually think about what you say before you say it?

Currently you can store a capital ship in a tiny part of the smallest tower, that already exists for other purposes, via an SMA (I know because I do). Cost <50 mil. Or you can switch to the new upwell structures, and by the time you are done, it will cost well over 15 bil. And the only reason that you would REQUIRE that huge upwell structure? To replace that 50 mil SMA. That is over 300 times as much isk. And you think the upwell structure qualifies as-is for a 1:1 replacement structure??? Who do we really think that we are kidding. And that 15 bil translates to approximately $220 US dollars. So you want everyone to have to pay an additional $220 dollars just to dock a capital ship a few months from now??? And hope that someone doesn't decide to blow it up just for a few minutes of kicks and giggles, costing you that $220 of real money???

All I was asking for was something to try to make the new upwell structures somewhat more usable as a direct replacement for the exiting towers, without increasing people's costs by a factor of 300 if they try to do so.

I guess we'll see how many people rejoice at a 300 times cost increase, and how many just throw in the towel and say "forget it, its too expensive".

Some day people will realize that out of everyone playing Eve, not everyone is part of a 1000 player alliance, to whom isk means nothing, nor wants to be. For some of us, real money, i.e. isk, really does matter.

You don't need a "fleet". You only need 1. So my comparison of 1 in an SMA vs needing a Fortizar, IS valid.

As I said, try to stop thinking about trying to force everyone into Goons, and try thinking about people that are smaller than Goons. Believe it or not, they DO exist. Atleast until CPP prices them out of the game.

If I had access to an NPC station, then that would do just fine, even be preferred, but I don't. The tether range of an Astrahaus requires that the character never leave the ship, making that character no longer able to "play the game" when the capital ship is not needed, which is most of the time. A POS is a fantastic solution, and I am more than happy with the current POS arrangements, but my understanding is that those are going away, and certainly all the other uses of the POS (which currently justify the high fuel costs) are all going away and being moved to the new structures.

This is not a "refineries" problem. This is a problem with the new direction of moving everything over to the new Upwell Structures. I don't care if capital ship docking is limited to only Astrahauses. I don't care if I have to trade something, like a service slot, to get the functionality. I don't even care if a limit of only a few capitals (perhaps 3 or 4) is placed on the new ability. All I am trying to do is to maintain the ability of small groups to be able to still do what they are currently doing, when the transition to the new structures is complete. I am not asking for any new abilities. I'm not even asking for the price of the abilities to remain as low as it currently is today (~50 mil one-time expense). I am just asking that the ability to continue doing it, with one or more of the entry level structures, remains some how, some way.

A fortizar CAN be done, depending on the variables...... but good luck joining the keepstar klub without paying the requisite isk to everyone to not blow it up.