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Recent incursion issues

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Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#181 - 2012-01-22 14:38:46 UTC
Incursion runners, you have played yourselves.

Go and buy some Tornadoes.
Fit them.
Find the mothership.
Kill the griefers, PROTECT THAT FAT COW FROM WHICH THY SUCKLES!
Rinse and repeat while farming away.
BUT DAMN IT KEEP THAT MOTHER ALIVE!
If anyone complains about you "farming," just hide behind a magic roleplaying justification cloak, "you are herding sansha slaves who are responding to their calls of their mother. Keeping the mothership alive will call out more slaves, which you kill, keeping New Eden safer."

Stop complaining. It just looks bad.

Zowie Powers
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#182 - 2012-01-22 14:42:00 UTC
CCP won't nerf the ******* things, so somebody had to.
Good on them.

ATX: The best of the rest.
Lubomir Penev
Prey Drive
#183 - 2012-01-22 14:45:09 UTC
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:
Basicly BrickSquad and co. have killed another mothership thus closing the incursion.


Yeah, that's kinda the whole goal. Shame on them for playing the game as intended.
IsTheOpOver
#184 - 2012-01-22 14:46:51 UTC
Xolve wrote:
The only thing in this thread that got 'sorted out' is your name.


It wasn't out of place when he founded his corp: minmatarsebiestormale20091022222222
(this is not made up) Lol

He must be laughing that this troll has now become the "official" discussion thread on the topic.

Back on topic... the biggest problem with incursions is that they pay out too much in rewards (compared with any other ISK generating activity) .
Rafax Haxxer
Fweddit
Free Range Chikuns
#185 - 2012-01-22 14:51:07 UTC
Ok, Those of you whom don't know who Darius III is : he only griefs, I remember him camping gates in Jita and WDin haulers and miners just for the QQ tears. He is like the normal griefer....lives in his parents basement, has never had a g/f, mad at all of society, his corp isn't good enough to hold sov. He got blackballed by btl from incursion fleets because he is a griefer / ganker so now he kills moms to end Incursions .....i would be in TS or Vent which ever his corp uses he says "its on bra". have meet his kind in every mmo I have played from Everquest till now, he is home right now in the "Command Center" as he calls the room in his parents basement, laughing at this post, which is fine odds are I'm right. I do agree BTL has to much power over Incursions, thats why I left to do other stuff. Have fun Darius III






ps. g/f are awesome 1 day a long time from now you'll learn that.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#186 - 2012-01-22 14:54:47 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
So it seems that the incursion runners found a workaround or loophole to farm ISK by drawing out the incursions as long as possible. Likewise, this was not an intended mechanic, and CCP/CSM are discussing a way to fix the issue.

It is not a nerf.... It's a "fix" to correct an oversight on their part and bring incursions back in line with the original working concept that their were implemented under in the first place.

Hey guys, remember when a group of creative capsuleers found a work-around and were able to get entire incursion fleets massacred by concord through creative use of logistics and GCC flags? Remember when CCP fixed that in order to prevent it from happening as it was simply an oversight on their part and was not working as intended?

Oh yeah, and remember when a whole bunch of players raged at the slightest mention of fixing that workaround that allowed sites to be farmed non stop as isk faucets? It was that time when a whole bunch of self righteous and arrogant forum warriors decided that they were entitled to special privileges allowing them to skirt around the game mechanics with impunity. You know, I think those were the very same people that cried wolf to CCP and prompted the fix to prevent their incursion fleets from being Concorded! Apparently, CCP is only allowed to take action and fix something if it doesn't stand against what THEY WANT.

Oh wait, that's whats going on right now! My mistake.

Edit: I should also note that since 2005 I have never once suicide ganked anybody, nor can flipped, nor scammed a single player in EVE. But that doesn't mean I am against others doing it when its within the rules. Keep that in mind before thinking that the only way I would post this is if I am one of the griefers (as you call them, not I) involved in BRICK's campaign.
SilentSkills
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#187 - 2012-01-22 15:03:43 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
I don't understand how PVE activity is 'griefing'.


it actually is.

Imagine that incursion bears are driving the prices for everything in eve upwards due to inflation.

So a regular pvper with limited income can now hardly afford a PLEX thanks (in part) to the incursion isk inflation.

So bears are griefing said l33t pvpers, occasionally forcing them out of the game. Isn't it ironicLol
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#188 - 2012-01-22 15:40:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Bienator II
it was a mistake from CCP to make the incursions farmable in the first place.

- penalties are to low, there is no good reason to kick the sansha out of the constellation (no gatecamps, nothing)
- HQ rewards are to low
- sites do not escalate: if you gain control, easy sites should disappear until only the bos site is left

the current system just invites to farm it. I would be curious if it was intended this way or not - i really hope not.

are we at "kill 1mil wolfs to levelup" again?

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#189 - 2012-01-22 15:42:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
minmatarsebiestormale20091011111 wrote:
Basicly BrickSquad and co. have killed another mothership thus closing the incursion.


While I don't care how anyone runs incursions, I've got to ask, "Isn't killing the mom the original point of incursions"?

I'm pretty sure that the end game of the Incursion is to kill the mom. So, working as intended. These guys aren't even manipulating Incursions. In fact, it is the farmers that are manipulating Incursions. Brick Squad is following the natural progress of the feature.

If they're ruining your fun by killing the mom then perhaps you should get there first?

Don't ban me, bro!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#190 - 2012-01-22 15:48:01 UTC
Rafax Haxxer wrote:
Ok, Those of you whom don't know who Darius III is : he only griefs, I remember him camping gates in Jita and WDin haulers and miners just for the QQ tears. He is like the normal griefer....lives in his parents basement, has never had a g/f, mad at all of society, his corp isn't good enough to hold sov. He got blackballed by btl from incursion fleets because he is a griefer / ganker so now he kills moms to end Incursions .....i would be in TS or Vent which ever his corp uses he says "its on bra". have meet his kind in every mmo I have played from Everquest till now, he is home right now in the "Command Center" as he calls the room in his parents basement, laughing at this post, which is fine odds are I'm right. I do agree BTL has to much power over Incursions, thats why I left to do other stuff. Have fun Darius III






ps. g/f are awesome 1 day a long time from now you'll learn that.



I dont think you know what that word means.
Calisto Fox
Doomheim
#191 - 2012-01-22 16:01:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Calisto Fox
Camios wrote:
Calisto Fox wrote:
Camios wrote:


Hisec PVE should give you less money and more fun. It would be even then.


So highsec incursions are better payouts than their low/null counterparts? I agree, that is unbalanced. Roll

On the same note, high sec is more fun, absolutely, but thats due to not being a slave to a null overlord and being used as nothing but pawns to line someody elses pocket and not having the brains to stop for a moment and question it. Null bears deserve their own fate for being mindless drones.

Reminds me of the borg in a way lol


Yes. Try this: First go in hisec and take part in an incursion fleet, and write down how much you get isk vs hour wise.
Then go into lowsec or nullsec and try do the same without being blown up. If you can, you'll get more money, if you cannot you'll get less money afterall, in the sense that it's economically convenient to stay in highsec if you're not part of a corporation that can afford staying in lowsec/0.0 and protect their PVE operations.

Just that, prove me wrong. And stop trollling about "nullsec drones" please.




Ignoring low sec for the sake of making my point, isnt the whole point of null sec to own your own space?

I would imagine owning your own systems, and having scouts everywhere ( as i imagine every null corp/alliance would do ) would give ample protection against any "unexpected visitors" to the incursions.
Not 100% sure but i presume cyno jammers are in effect even in null sec incursions, so unless your part of a fail corp your going to have 30mins advance warning of any undesirables crashing your null incursions fountains and costing you shineys.

To answer your question though, it really depends on the circumstances.

Personally, i only fly shield logistics, either basi or schimi so my outlay is relatively small compared to say a NM or Mach.

IF i get a fleet right away upon logging in, and IF that fleet is full of shineys who encounter zero competition for sites for a whole 60mins, than yes, i could rack up 120-160m per hour blitzing VG's at approx 3mins per site.

But you guys just presume thats the status quo for incursions. Its not. Its really really not lol

It might take 30-60 mins to find a fleet, that fleet might be a fail fleet consisting of missile boats with **** poor dps so the sites might take 6-7 mins to blitz.
Take that into account and im making maybe 50-60m per hour, again, it all depends on drop outs and bio breaks too, and thats only slightly better than L4's.

You guys need to get it out of your heads that VG's are all un contested sites for hours on end and fleets dont fight to run them every minute of everyday a site is up.

The 'possible' rewards for incursions dont exist in reality as fleets, no matter how shiney, will always be up against half a dozen other shiney fleets all vying for the same site.

The realistic isk per hour for high sec incursions probably averages out at about 70m or so give or take. Sure some people will be making upwards of 100m per hour, but then others will be bearly scraping 40m per hour doing the same thing.

You guys are mounting an offensive against a make believe isk per hour ratio.
Jovan Geldon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#192 - 2012-01-22 16:10:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Jovan Geldon
Calisto Fox wrote:

Sometimes other people shoot the red crosses faster than we can ABLOO ABLOO

~elite PvE~
Calisto Fox wrote:
having scouts everywhere ( as i imagine every null corp/alliance would do ) would give ample protection against any "unexpected visitors" to the incursions....blah blah blah....30mins advance warning of any undesirables crashing your null incursions fountains and costing you shineys

I don't know if you were aware of this, but nullsec doesn't have magic instagibbing space police stopping people from violencing each other's boats, nor is it feasible to have people doing nothing but watching Local for 5 systems in every direction whenever a few greedy fuckers want to do some hardcore jewing
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#193 - 2012-01-22 16:12:47 UTC
Calisto Fox wrote:
The realistic isk per hour for high sec incursions probably averages out at about 70m or so give or take. Sure some people will be making upwards of 100m per hour, but then others will be bearly scraping 40m per hour doing the same thing.

You guys are mounting an offensive against a make believe isk per hour ratio.
40M ISK/h is still a ridiculous ratio.
Myz Toyou
Nekkid Inc.
#194 - 2012-01-22 16:21:32 UTC
Holy moly, this thread contains alot of mad people ( incursion bears ). Let me show you what EVE is all about.
Calisto Fox
Doomheim
#195 - 2012-01-22 16:23:34 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Calisto Fox wrote:
The realistic isk per hour for high sec incursions probably averages out at about 70m or so give or take. Sure some people will be making upwards of 100m per hour, but then others will be bearly scraping 40m per hour doing the same thing.

You guys are mounting an offensive against a make believe isk per hour ratio.
40M ISK/h is still a ridiculous ratio.


Oh really? So what next on the witch hunt? L4 missions because they pay an easy 40m ph.

If you even play eve and dont top 40m per hour doing pve in high sec than you need to go back to playing wow or my horse and me.

What about exploration? Lets look at that for a moment, due to the incursions situation i decided to explore the forge for 10hrs yesterday.

I found 4 or 5 radars that gave me approx 15m each and 5 GSO's which netted me 3 C-type shield boosters at 350m each and numerous hardeners ranging from 10m each to 50m each. In all i finished my day 1.2b up on when i started.

Theres your 120m per hour in high sec, go cry to CCP and if you cry enough tears maybe they'll buckle under the pressure of bitter null bears and change the mechanics to suit you. Not like it hasnt happened before right?......
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#196 - 2012-01-22 16:24:40 UTC
Myz Toyou wrote:
Holy moly, this thread contains alot of mad people ( incursion bears ). Let me show you what EVE is all about.


MrrNO. Eve is about makin ISKIES. ALL THE TIME. BIG AMOUNTS. NOBODY SHOULD HURT ME MAKIN ISKIES.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
#197 - 2012-01-22 16:30:52 UTC
On another note, the few times i did incursions, i found it boring as hell, i can't see how players could do for that hours on end. I never bothered again. Yes it is an isk faucet that needs a serious looking over by CCP IMO.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#198 - 2012-01-22 16:32:04 UTC
Rafax Haxxer wrote:

ps. g/f are awesome 1 day a long time from now you'll learn that.


I also want to be very clear that I manly man who has lot's of sex all the time, and that is why I spend so much time making the iskies to give my ladiefriends internetsubmarinepixelprezzies.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#199 - 2012-01-22 16:32:28 UTC
Calisto Fox wrote:
I found 4 or 5 radars that gave me approx 15m each and 5 GSO's which netted me 3 C-type shield boosters at 350m each and numerous hardeners ranging from 10m each to 50m each. In all i finished my day 1.2b up on when i started.

Theres your 120m per hour in high sec, go cry to CCP and if you cry enough tears maybe they'll buckle under the pressure of bitter null bears and change the mechanics to suit you. Not like it hasnt happened before right?......


Yeah, nobody cares about drops. ISK changes hands in that case, it's not created out of thin air.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#200 - 2012-01-22 16:34:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Calisto Fox wrote:
Oh really? So what next on the witch hunt? L4 missions because they pay an easy 40m ph.
…and that's the reason they have been a target for requests for nerfs for, oh, the last 4+ years or so, since the risk-vs-reward is so obviously off-kilter. So no, it's actually incursions that are the “next item” on the hunt.