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The new dev blog says that Moon Mining will change significantly. Active miners will be needed to extract the ore in conjunction will a new ore drill and explosives system. There are a few of things this might lead to.

1. More miners will move out into low sec and null sec. This will lead to a lot more conflict and content. It will also affect the price of minerals in general as miners move to the most profitable activity they can.

2. New rental of systems to industrial corporations to take care of moon mineral extraction.

3. The price of low end moon minerals may go up. Miners won't mine them if they can make more isk in the safety of high sec mining veldspar.

Thoughts?

1. Nullsec ores are currently better than highsec ores and the belts are far larger, i doubt that these moon changes will entice highsec bears to come to nullsec alone.

2. This i agree with, moon empire alliances will feel this change alot more than most, and rental alliances will likely be super happy about these changes. My thoughts are that most all alliances will move towards establishing renters just for this, both in lowsec and nullsec.

3. I expect all prices will spike hard the day after the changes, and this will also flow into T2 construction, as the moon empires that supply a very large amount of all goo currently, may not be prepared to mine their moon belts immediately, so supply will be hurt until, one the structures start coming online and two corps and alliances are able to regularly mine the belts, which i suspect could take up to a week for everything to really start ticking over.

(I intend to keep a close eye on goonswarm, as i suspect they are one of the only or at least the most prepared to take full advantage of these changes)

I am super happy with this change btw, moon empires will fall and it'll be more difficult and less worthwhile for alliances to blob all the moons unless they can actually make use of the resources, meaning what i hope, is more opportunities for smaller entities to rake in ISK from moons, as currently most regions are dominated by very large entities that are very hard to push off of moons.

As a final thought, we're still yet to see if there will be a cold shift over to this new system or if like current structures it will be a long term goal to phase out the old system.

It's unlikely there will be an abrupt transition. More likely, Refineries and POS will coexist for a while - similar to Engineering Complex and POS. Bonuses will encourage a transition to the new process.

While CCP wants to encourage more social gameplay, I suspect these new asteroid fields can be cleared fairly quickly by a Rorqual or multibox fleet of exhumers protected by the refinery defenses.

If I'm right about the gradual transition, I don't expect any significant change in supply or demand - speculation may cause the price to bounce around a bit but, with no change in fundamentals, it will be short lived.

I don't understand that either o.O?

As an author of the statement I can asure you it was nothing more than a pathetic troll attempt. Period. There is no such thing as Primae AOE moon goo minning emmiter or new expedition frigate (I think "Adoration" was its proposed name) with bonus for moon goo ninja mining.

More pathetic trolling like that can be found here:
https://crossingzebras.com/breaking-news-eve-summer-outline/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/5xe1tr/breaking_news_eve_summer_outline_crossing_zebras/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/5xd23h/404d_eve_updates_page/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/5xbzk8/summer_new_chat_system_announced_working_even/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/5xbzds/summer_t3c_rebalance_announced_no_details_yet/

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Strategic Cruiser Rebalance
Project Discovery – Exoplanets
Vexor & Ishtar Redesign
Asteroid Fields
New Player Experience – Operations Center
More Explosions
New suns
Battlestation Renovation
New Forums
New Chat System (even when the Tranquility cluster is offline)

I listened to the TIS podcast and was surprised. It will take sometime to build a refinery and at least a week to get the initial slab of moon material - probably 2 weeks with no production before product from the new gameplay reaches the market.

As Fozzie suggested, there are stockpiles but people will demand a premium price to part with them!

I was one of the sustainer of "save the mining" years ago when it was really a no-profit activity (btw i really hate mining, it's the most ******* activity you can do along with hauling... even trading is better and involves some brain usage) but now it's becoming exactly the opposite...
Also i've always be a sustainer of isk-printing removal, i just beg ccp to find another way to do this.
Really hope that change won't take place as it is stated.


If so i believe that lowsec will be even more unused for the simple reason that only big entities would have the force to organize and defend mining ops there, anyone else will face hotdrops on mining fleets ever 3 sec. Only nullsec owners will be able to catch up so another gift to big entities, thx we all need this!

And even them will have their SRP hitted hard.

It opens for a "new" activity however: rent a defensive fleet. Effort that, of course, can be nullified by drop more onto mining fleet

Ninja miners? at start yes but doubt will be worth it long term and there will be even low sec logistics to take into count.

All this anyway will place more planned activity into eve: it will be less a game and more another job, there will be lot less space for casual activity (what i believe a game is for) conseguently pushing away Omegas that, in a form or another, pay CCP for the subscription.

Only work around i can see is that moon belts will return good quantity of minerals along with moon the usual moon goo so, at least, there wil be less sheduled (2nd job) activity.

Also the decision CCP made to tie industry bonuses to rigs just led (and will keep leading) to a multiplication of structures totally not under control. Pushing again away small entities and lone wolves away.
It's my opinion that a more wise approach would have been to totally strip industry bonuses to rigs and tie them to a wider set of services/modules, charging each online/offline/swap operation with some higher "tax" in form of isk or fuel usage for example.

The new moon mining system as stated will bring even more structures around... thx again!

CCP PLEASE FIND ANOTHER WAY