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The Internet Tough Guy - à la EVE Online

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Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2017-03-23 21:30:17 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
(the clear blue water of 'all about EVE')


Brian would do well to click the links in your forum sig, and to digest the information contained in their destinations. He'd also be wise to do so before returning here to expose further his lack of comprehension.
Brian Paone
Doomheim
#42 - 2017-03-24 09:37:29 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
Brian Paone wrote:
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:
snip


Your character isn't real, "Sasha". It never was. It can't be. It's just a pile of pixels, incapable of doing any more than directed.

YOU control "Sasha". "Sasha" is you. There's no escaping from that.

"Sasha" isn't a willful detriment to society. You are. And you shouldn't be upset with this label, as you chose to go down this road.

There's nothing valid about what you do here. All you're doing is opposing your own species. Granted, the game rules DO allow you to do that, which is why it'd be silly to file a report on it, wouldn't it.

But it's certainly not silly to call a spade a spade, spade. If you're going to willfully oppose your own species, it's certainly disingenuous to act like you deserve RESPECT for it.

You seem to be missing a key point here. "Sasha" isn't a real, but neither is "Brian Paone" or any of the fictional characters or ships he might shoot. The constructs Sasha or the rest of us explode aren't real. They are imaginary characters or ships or whatever that have no tangible existence, worth or feelings. This is a game and you are not an immortal spaceship pilot.

My full house beating your pair of jacks doesn't make me a "detriment to society". That just makes me a better poker player than you (ok, perhaps just luckier). My gorilla sideswiping your Italian plumber off the road doesn't make me a sociopath - it just marks me as a better MarioKart player than you. If my golf score is lower than yours that... well you get the idea. Choosing to "oppose your own species" in a game or sport isn't something someone should be called out for. Competition and play is fundamental to the human spirit and it is something that should be celebrated.

Eve Online is a competitive PvP game where we control imaginary characters that do both good and bad things to each other. It is a completely self-contained and safe space were there are no real-world consequences to ourselves, other than what choose to let affect us. Open your mind Brian. There is no spoon just like there is no Retriever. You can only be hurt by losing something imaginary if you agree to let it hurt you. Yes, those losses are in fact real in the sense some numbers in CCP's database associated with you might tick down, but they are still just imaginary 'points' in a pretend game. If losing imaginary things or having your scorecard go down instead of up like you would prefer ever gets too intense for you, you can click the 'logout' button and all that self-inflicted angst and pain will immediately go away.

Rob is not Sasha. Rob is a consenting adult playing an immersive video game (as well as a top drawer content creator). He sometimes logs in and shoots imaginary things controlled by other consenting human beings in a single-universe and persistent Battle Royale as is intended by the game designers. There is nothing approaching immoral or depraved about this activity - it is literally the point of this video game. If you are unable to separate yourself from the imaginary space personas you control, it is you that has the issue, not Rob.


Sir, I am real. I assure you, I exist.

You're correct in asserting "Sasha" doesn't exist. "Brian Paone" exists (at least 9 times over; it's a surprisingly popular name combination), but certainly not this particular digital avatar. But I exist. And this "Rob" exists too (might be a real name, might not be - hard to tell online, you know?). And you exist, probably!

We exist. Our actions in-game might be represented digitally - we're not flying real spaceships, as you so correctly point out - but the time taken and efforts made in-game are made by existing people. Those are real. Those exist. And time is something neither one of us - truly, no one ever - can ever get back.

If you choose to spend your recreational time in a video game robbing others of theirs, well, that's in the rules. You have the option to do that. But to demand respect for it? XD No. That's not happening, man. You and I and "Rob" and everyone else here? We have the CHOICE to do whatever we like within the bounds of the game's rules.

CODE chose, consciously, to oppose its own species. Over a video game. Not even over actual resources, where some kind of flimsy argument in support of acting against one's own MIGHT be acceptable. Nah. Over a video game. Pure spite.

That's no more content than those NaNoGenMo programs' "books". Sure, it's words on a page, but not a damn one of those programs has ever created anything that can hold a candle to, say, Stephen King.

("Top drawer content"? Are you kidding me? It's not even a proper extortion racket! XD It's BARELY grade-school playground nonsense. You have low standards for your "content", don't you.)
Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2017-03-24 10:16:38 UTC
Brian Paone wrote:
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Your bitterness, intolerance, and contempt, Brian, are - regrettably - only too real.
Brian Paone
Doomheim
#44 - 2017-03-24 10:30:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Brian Paone
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:
Brian Paone wrote:
snip


Your bitterness, intolerance, and contempt, Brian, are - regrettably - only too real.


Yes, yes. If you're uncomfortable discussing the topic, that's fine. I understand that you feel the need to preen for your selected tribe, and that's all this pretty much is at this point. I erred in thinking you were interested in a serious conversation.

Not too many people are truly interested in introspection.

Good luck coming up with an actual extortion racket storyline. I mean that. You're either going for that, or trying to be the Washington Generals, and I just don't see you understanding the concept of losing for the sake of entertainment.

My sincere apologies for asking far, far too much of you. All the best. o/

(Intolerance and contempt... Oh, my, hang on, I need to catch my breath over that one. XD You got jokes, son!)
Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2017-03-24 11:02:48 UTC
Brian Paone wrote:
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:
Brian Paone wrote:
snip


Your bitterness, intolerance, and contempt, Brian, are - regrettably - only too real.


Yes, yes. If you're uncomfortable discussing the topic, that's fine. I understand that you feel the need to preen for your selected tribe, and that's all this pretty much is at this point. I erred in thinking you were interested in a serious conversation.

Not too many people are truly interested in introspection.

Good luck coming up with an actual extortion racket storyline. I mean that. You're either going for that, or trying to be the Washington Generals, and I just don't see you understanding the concept of losing for the sake of entertainment.

My sincere apologies for asking far, far too much of you. All the best. o/


o7
Black Pedro
Mine.
#46 - 2017-03-24 11:42:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Pedro
Brian Paone wrote:
If you choose to spend your recreational time in a video game robbing others of theirs, well, that's in the rules. You have the option to do that. But to demand respect for it? XD No. That's not happening, man. You and I and "Rob" and everyone else here? We have the CHOICE to do whatever we like within the bounds of the game's rules.

CODE chose, consciously, to oppose its own species. Over a video game. Not even over actual resources, where some kind of flimsy argument in support of acting against one's own MIGHT be acceptable. Nah. Over a video game. Pure spite.

That's no more content than those NaNoGenMo programs' "books". Sure, it's words on a page, but not a damn one of those programs has ever created anything that can hold a candle to, say, Stephen King.

("Top drawer content"? Are you kidding me? It's not even a proper extortion racket! XD It's BARELY grade-school playground nonsense. You have low standards for your "content", don't you.)
I think you might be (again) confusing real-life with what happens in the fictional universe of New Eden. Agents of the New Order demand respect in accordance with their claim of ownership of highsec. It's James 315's space, and when you are in his house you owe him and his representatives a certain amount of consideration. Now, you can reject that claim and declare yourself a disrespectful rebel and we can all fight it out in space as the glorious game is intended to work, but no one seriously is demanding you to "respect" them in real-life for how they play a video game, at least no more than the basic level of decency you owe any other fellow human being. That would include not making death threats or vile personal insults (a low bar many carebears fail to meet by the way) but does not mean we expect you to treat us as anything more than a fellow gamer and human being playing a virtual spaceship shooting game.

People in CODE. choose to play as the villains (or heroes depending on your point of view) of highsec in a competitive PvP game. I fail to see how that is "opposing its own species". I mean I guess it is, just like the Olympic athlete "opposes her own species" by competing in an event against other humans, or a chess grand-master "opposes his own species" when he enters a tournament, but participating in these things or playing Eve isn't a crime against humanity or anything. It is just humans competing against each other for fun and glory as we humans are want to do. I get that you might not want to compete, but that just means you are playing the wrong game (a competitive one, when you clearly are looking for a non-competitive pass-time), not that people are out to explode your space assets purely for spite.

Let me tell you a story. Over the holidays, I had the opportunity to play Monopoly (the Junior version) with my nieces. I was a little trepidatious as they were still young enough that they really don't like to lose. Scoring a goal on them in football has sometimes been sufficient to elicit tears. However, I was impressed with their maturity when I won the first game (which, if you have played this version of the game, the winner is essentially selected by chance). They were enthralled with the game and totally understood that it was pretend money and just for fun. When they landed on Boardwalk and had to pay me a bunch of their money, they didn't start accusing me of "stealing their time" by taking the money they earned, or being a traitor to humanity. They intrinsically got the idea that this is an ephemeral diversion and that it is the journey, not the meaningless Monopoly money which is the value in playing this board game together.

Eve Online is for sure more immersive than Junior Monopoly, but at its core, is exactly the same thing. It is a little sad that so many players are unable to separate themselves from their Space Barbies and imaginary spaceships.

And yes, Rob's work is top drawer. His recordings and videos capture the spirit of the New Order and his work does credit to the organization. More importantly, I find it incredibly entertaining. As to the New Order, judge them how you want. Whether you think them "nonsensical", you have to admit they certainly are responsible for creating much of the content in highsec today, and worryingly, more and more of the relevant content in all of New Eden.
Zander Moreau
Poor Fellow-Soldiers of James 315 and of Hek.
CODE.
#47 - 2017-03-24 14:30:10 UTC
Brian Paone wrote:
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:
Brian Paone wrote:
snip


Your bitterness, intolerance, and contempt, Brian, are - regrettably - only too real.


Yes, yes. If you're uncomfortable discussing the topic, that's fine. I understand that you feel the need to preen for your selected tribe, and that's all this pretty much is at this point. I erred in thinking you were interested in a serious conversation.

Not too many people are truly interested in introspection.

Good luck coming up with an actual extortion racket storyline. I mean that. You're either going for that, or trying to be the Washington Generals, and I just don't see you understanding the concept of losing for the sake of entertainment.

My sincere apologies for asking far, far too much of you. All the best. o/

(Intolerance and contempt... Oh, my, hang on, I need to catch my breath over that one. XD You got jokes, son!)


Stay tuned. Since I'm a published author in RL, I've been looking to expand my fledgling writing career into more mainstream science fiction. I'm in the process of writing out a short story as to how my character came to find the CODE. Once I'm done I'm submitting it to The Imperium for publishing.

"We will bring you love... and by love, I mean lasers."

Pope Maximillian Singularity VI, First of His Name

Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2017-03-24 15:09:41 UTC
Zander Moreau wrote:

Stay tuned. Since I'm a published author in RL, I've been looking to expand my fledgling writing career into more mainstream science fiction. I'm in the process of writing out a short story as to how my character came to find the CODE. Once I'm done I'm submitting it to The Imperium for publishing.

That's excellent Zander. Wherever I find myself in EVE I try to encourage people to do more than just spaceship around - enjoyable though that is, of course.

I started my minerbumping content career with nothing more than 'Windows Recorder', a posh voice, and an idea. I'm having a whale of a time just seeing what I can get away with!

To return Pedro's compliment, I always like to catch his posts for they're chock-full of good sense, honed reasoning and equanimity.

Pedro, you should write more, and perhaps put together a body of work which will allow you to round-out those EVE topics which clearly preoccupy you. As to their destination, who knows? You could submit them to the sub-forums, as James did in laying out his 'Manifesto'. Or perhaps record them and put them out on your own free SoundCloud page. I'd be happy to help in any way I could.

Perhaps it's time for an 'all things Highsec' podcast, since every other EVE podcast seems to be squarely directed at Nullsec. It should provide entertainment, discussion and information in about equal parts I think, but it will fail unless you can get the notoriously apathetic Highsec population to find something attractive in it, whether positive or negative.

As for Brian; there's something going on there that I can't quite put my finger on. At times, his notions appear to be cogent and perhaps worth considering, but he then throws baby, bathwater, and bath out of the window!

Perhaps the discussion he hoped to have is not suited to this format. I'm quite willing to use TeamSpeak or one of the other VOIP apps out there, but I'm not prepared to do so unless there are others present and contributing. Can it be done?

I'm spent. Time for a hot sweet cuppa!
Zander Moreau
Poor Fellow-Soldiers of James 315 and of Hek.
CODE.
#49 - 2017-03-24 16:24:33 UTC
I like the idea of an "all things high sec" podcast! Do eet!

"We will bring you love... and by love, I mean lasers."

Pope Maximillian Singularity VI, First of His Name

Brian Paone
Doomheim
#50 - 2017-03-27 09:37:46 UTC
Zander Moreau wrote:
Brian Paone wrote:
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:
Brian Paone wrote:
snip


Your bitterness, intolerance, and contempt, Brian, are - regrettably - only too real.


Yes, yes. If you're uncomfortable discussing the topic, that's fine. I understand that you feel the need to preen for your selected tribe, and that's all this pretty much is at this point. I erred in thinking you were interested in a serious conversation.

Not too many people are truly interested in introspection.

Good luck coming up with an actual extortion racket storyline. I mean that. You're either going for that, or trying to be the Washington Generals, and I just don't see you understanding the concept of losing for the sake of entertainment.

My sincere apologies for asking far, far too much of you. All the best. o/

(Intolerance and contempt... Oh, my, hang on, I need to catch my breath over that one. XD You got jokes, son!)


Stay tuned. Since I'm a published author in RL, I've been looking to expand my fledgling writing career into more mainstream science fiction. I'm in the process of writing out a short story as to how my character came to find the CODE. Once I'm done I'm submitting it to The Imperium for publishing.


I'm a little curious as to why you'd think I'd be interested. I don't like you.
Brian Paone
Doomheim
#51 - 2017-03-27 09:41:13 UTC
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:
Zander Moreau wrote:

Stay tuned. Since I'm a published author in RL, I've been looking to expand my fledgling writing career into more mainstream science fiction. I'm in the process of writing out a short story as to how my character came to find the CODE. Once I'm done I'm submitting it to The Imperium for publishing.

That's excellent Zander. Wherever I find myself in EVE I try to encourage people to do more than just spaceship around - enjoyable though that is, of course.

I started my minerbumping content career with nothing more than 'Windows Recorder', a posh voice, and an idea. I'm having a whale of a time just seeing what I can get away with!

To return Pedro's compliment, I always like to catch his posts for they're chock-full of good sense, honed reasoning and equanimity.

Pedro, you should write more, and perhaps put together a body of work which will allow you to round-out those EVE topics which clearly preoccupy you. As to their destination, who knows? You could submit them to the sub-forums, as James did in laying out his 'Manifesto'. Or perhaps record them and put them out on your own free SoundCloud page. I'd be happy to help in any way I could.

Perhaps it's time for an 'all things Highsec' podcast, since every other EVE podcast seems to be squarely directed at Nullsec. It should provide entertainment, discussion and information in about equal parts I think, but it will fail unless you can get the notoriously apathetic Highsec population to find something attractive in it, whether positive or negative.

As for Brian; there's something going on there that I can't quite put my finger on. At times, his notions appear to be cogent and perhaps worth considering, but he then throws baby, bathwater, and bath out of the window!

Perhaps the discussion he hoped to have is not suited to this format. I'm quite willing to use TeamSpeak or one of the other VOIP apps out there, but I'm not prepared to do so unless there are others present and contributing. Can it be done?

I'm spent. Time for a hot sweet cuppa!


The only way you're having this discussion is as follows:

1) You will drop the cocky attitude and speak with respect, as I did when first addressing you. If you'll note, you failed to reciprocate. If you cannot show basic respect, you are incapable of civilized conversation. You'll also note it gets you no respect in return. This isn't tribalism anymore, sir. We belong to civilized society.

2) It will be conducted purely in written format. I prefer it.

If you cannot comply fully with both conditions, then feel free to do your last word thing.
Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2017-03-27 10:01:13 UTC
Brian Paone wrote:
If you cannot comply fully with both conditions, then feel free to do your last word thing.


Yes sir!


Areen Sassel
Dirac Angestun Gesept
#53 - 2017-03-27 11:22:03 UTC
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:
Should the 'CODE.' part of my character information set off a red flag out-of-game too? For the record, then; although I'm a jobbing professional Voice Actor now that I've reached my 60th decade,


60th _decade_? Your wrinkles must have wrinkles. :-)
Dom Arkaral
Bannheim
Cuttlefish Collective
#54 - 2017-03-27 12:26:48 UTC
Brian Paone wrote:
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:
Zander Moreau wrote:

Stay tuned. Since I'm a published author in RL, I've been looking to expand my fledgling writing career into more mainstream science fiction. I'm in the process of writing out a short story as to how my character came to find the CODE. Once I'm done I'm submitting it to The Imperium for publishing.

That's excellent Zander. Wherever I find myself in EVE I try to encourage people to do more than just spaceship around - enjoyable though that is, of course.

I started my minerbumping content career with nothing more than 'Windows Recorder', a posh voice, and an idea. I'm having a whale of a time just seeing what I can get away with!

To return Pedro's compliment, I always like to catch his posts for they're chock-full of good sense, honed reasoning and equanimity.

Pedro, you should write more, and perhaps put together a body of work which will allow you to round-out those EVE topics which clearly preoccupy you. As to their destination, who knows? You could submit them to the sub-forums, as James did in laying out his 'Manifesto'. Or perhaps record them and put them out on your own free SoundCloud page. I'd be happy to help in any way I could.

Perhaps it's time for an 'all things Highsec' podcast, since every other EVE podcast seems to be squarely directed at Nullsec. It should provide entertainment, discussion and information in about equal parts I think, but it will fail unless you can get the notoriously apathetic Highsec population to find something attractive in it, whether positive or negative.

As for Brian; there's something going on there that I can't quite put my finger on. At times, his notions appear to be cogent and perhaps worth considering, but he then throws baby, bathwater, and bath out of the window!

Perhaps the discussion he hoped to have is not suited to this format. I'm quite willing to use TeamSpeak or one of the other VOIP apps out there, but I'm not prepared to do so unless there are others present and contributing. Can it be done?

I'm spent. Time for a hot sweet cuppa!


The only way you're having this discussion is as follows:

1) You will drop the cocky attitude and speak with respect, as I did when first addressing you. If you'll note, you failed to reciprocate. If you cannot show basic respect, you are incapable of civilized conversation. You'll also note it gets you no respect in return. This isn't tribalism anymore, sir. We belong to civilized society.

2) It will be conducted purely in written format. I prefer it.

If you cannot comply fully with both conditions, then feel free to do your last word thing.

Need I remember you that alts like yourself have no authority (and therefore will get no respect from the C&P crowd), and that you should know your place at the bottom of the food chain.

'Tis the Law to post on your main.
If you can't comply, I recommend you to gtfo Lol

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Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2017-03-27 13:15:08 UTC
Areen Sassel wrote:

60th _decade_? Your wrinkles must have wrinkles. :-)


Haha! To tell the truth, I've been a bit lucky there. I don't believe such things are very much under our control. You either have them or you don't (have that many...).




Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2017-03-27 13:23:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Sasha Nemtsov
Brian Paone wrote:
If you cannot show basic respect, you are incapable of civilized conversation.


Purely for my own amusement, I'm going to deconstruct Brian's latest bit of wisdom, not in order to criticise his no doubt very sincerely held beliefs about respect and civility, but to expose his lack of understanding of those terms.

But I must dock up, for I'm an obedient member of the New Order. The Code says 'dock up' if you have to take your attention away from EVE, no matter how momentarily.

Back in a bit.

Nearly there...

Thus, what Brian means by those terms is 'politeness'. We are often polite when seeking to mask the range and intensity of our feelings. I may also wish to appear to be a man of sophistication, of good breeding and high moral standing. I may wish not to upset or anger my correspondent, for that would be......terrible; society might implode and the whole edifice come tumbling down around our ears. As I said, terrible.

On the other hand, I might be committed to telling the truth as I find it, and couching my words in terms which express that truth with the full value of its meaning for me. My attempt might not meet Brian's lofty standard of discourse, but he'll be in no doubt as to my views.

Which is better, clarity or dissembling?

I notice that when it suits Brian he can climb down from his polite pedestal and engage in the rough and tumble of the playground. 'Bully', wasn't it? Whence then his 'respect' and his 'civility'? Or do those concepts only travel in one direction?

Brian, I've said and I meant that I'm quite prepared to engage in dialogue with you, but you need to stop trolling around in my thread and actually make a statement which is capable of being reflected upon, considered.

Otherwise, get the hell out of it.

Sorry, please get the hell out of it.
Soloman Jackson
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2017-03-27 13:49:39 UTC
Hahahahaha! This reminds me of "Jay and Silent Bob stikes back" Internet tough guys... LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBWbpTJRqk

“The cold stars spun to the ancient rhythm, the august march of an everlasting symphony. They are old, the stars, and their memory is long.” -Rick Yancey

Kaely Tanniss
Black Lotus Society.
#58 - 2017-03-27 16:48:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaely Tanniss
Sasha Nemtsov wrote:
Brian Paone wrote:
If you cannot show basic respect, you are incapable of civilized conversation.


Purely for my own amusement, I'm going to deconstruct Brian's latest bit of wisdom, not in order to criticise his no doubt very sincerely held beliefs about respect and civility, but to expose his lack of understanding of those terms.

But I must dock up, for I'm an obedient member of the New Order. The Code says 'dock up' if you have to take your attention away from EVE, no matter how momentarily.

Back in a bit.

Nearly there...

Thus, what Brian means by those terms is 'politeness'. We are often polite when seeking to mask the range and intensity of our feelings. I may also wish to appear to be a man of sophistication, of good breeding and high moral standing. I may wish not to upset or anger my correspondent, for that would be......terrible; society might implode and the whole edifice come tumbling down around our ears. As I said, terrible.

On the other hand, I might be committed to telling the truth as I find it, and couching my words in terms which express that truth with the full value of its meaning for me. My attempt might not meet Brian's lofty standard of discourse, but he'll be in no doubt as to my views.

Which is better, clarity or dissembling?


I notice that when it suits Brian he can climb down from his polite pedestal and engage in the rough and tumble of the playground. 'Bully', wasn't it? Whence then his 'respect' and his 'civility'? Or do those concepts only travel in one direction?

Brian, I've said and I meant that I'm quite prepared to engage in dialogue with you, but you need to stop trolling around in my thread and actually make a statement which is capable of being reflected upon, considered.

Otherwise, get the hell out of it.

Sorry, please get the hell out of it.



With all due respect Sasha, I wouldn't go as far as to call it "wisdom". I can think of a few better words for it..but I digress. Blink

One thing many seem to forget is there is a difference between being polite and being sincere. Being polite tells you what you want to hear. Being sincere tells you the facts, whether you want to hear it or not. Most people can't handle sincerity. They think they want sincerity, but what they really want is politeness, be it truthful or not. It is not in my interest, or theirs for that matter, to pay lip service in fear of "offending" one's opposing views.

If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..

Zinn Tesla Hadron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#59 - 2017-03-27 19:36:57 UTC
Brian Paone wrote:


Yes, yes. If you're uncomfortable discussing the topic, that's fine. I understand that you feel the need to preen for your selected tribe, and that's all this pretty much is at this point.



For the love of God, you just now came to this conclusion? That's all these cuckolds ever do.
Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2017-03-27 20:26:12 UTC
Zinn Tesla Hadron wrote:
Brian Paone wrote:


Yes, yes. If you're uncomfortable discussing the topic, that's fine. I understand that you feel the need to preen for your selected tribe, and that's all this pretty much is at this point.



For the love of God, you just now came to this conclusion? That's all these cuckolds ever do.


Preen:

'devote effort to making oneself look attractive and then admire one's appearance.'

'congratulate or pride oneself.'

Effort should always be recognised - and rewarded.

Perhaps you, Zinn, and your new soulmate, Brian, have lost the art of expending effort in the pursuit of excellence (mind, I say 'pursuit', not 'attainment').

We in the New Order deem excellence a worthy pursuit, and any effort expended in bringing the wisdom contained in The Code to the citizens of Highsec should be praised.

Cuckold:

noun, dated
'the husband of an adulteress, often regarded as an object of derision.'

verb
'(of a man) make (another man) a cuckold by having a sexual relationship with his wife.'

You and Mr Paone must indeed by soulmates; neither of you appears to have the faintest idea of the implication or meaning of the terms you use.

I'm here to help, though. A Mining Permit is what you need. The term and concept are quite easily grasped, even by the lowly rebel. Contact me in-game with your 10 million isk at-the-ready, for the smartest move you'll ever make!