Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Good, it means you can't foritify you carebares nullsec iskprinting imperiums. What happen to WHs spawing change btw?

Forget to use " " when I typed imperiums.

Yes I value it greatly, and yes it will reduce my enjoyment of this game a lot, and it will impact a lot of people who operate in null sec in the smaller groups. Since I have been able to use a T3C the covert nullified fits are my preferred ship because it enables me to be hard to kill, not an easy kill. One of my friends stopped playing Eve because as he said it, it was now too easy to catch people. That is what you want, easy kills. Anyway I have made my point on this thread, I expect that I will be ignored by the CSM and of course more importantly by CCP.

These ships when covert cloaked and nullified give me the greatest pleasure in the game, they have enabled me to operate in places that would be impossible otherwise, they have prevented me from being camped out of the game, they have been a major reason why I am still in the game because they make me hard to kill while the game has become easier for the hunters.

Yeah damn right they benefit me greatly, but they do not benefit you or your alliance or alliances like yours to the same degree that they benefit the smaller groups and tah is why you want them gone so you can squeeze the life out of who you want.

CCP don't ruin this part of the game, it will be as foolish an error as leaving the tanks of the mining ships so low that a single Catalyst could kill them for two and a half damn years and you paid for that, I told you then and you ignored me...

They can easily refit for combat.


Install your primary offense, defense, and engineering subsystem onto the ship, along with the covert and nullification subsystems. All of your primary high slot fittings should be on the ship, as well as drones already in the drone bay. Mid slot, you might throw on a shield extender or omni hardener but otherwise you can have just the primary fitting. Low slots, all warp stabilizers. Rigs, your primaries should be installed. All you need to carry in cargo is low slot fittings, the last mid slot fitting, your primary navigation and electronics subsystems, and a mobile depot. That's about 200-215 m3 cargo space. You could stand to deck out the whole mid slot range with a full shield tank and still have cargo room for ammo.


The way you protect your blockade runner is by not jumping into a massive gate camp. If you fly it around aimlessly, trying to make a long distance haul to some far away system, you're likely to get stuck in a giant gate camp somewhere along the way. But even for a long haul, if you plan your route, you can likely avoid dangerous systems. Here's some tips for nullsec travel in general anything slippery:

1.) Check the map. Set it to show average pilots in space in the last 30 minutes. Systems with bright blips should be avoided.

2.) Dip into empire space for long trips. Check your route, if you can travel considerably less total nullsec by dipping into lowsec, you'll benefit from it even if your trip is a few jumps longer. Even if your security status is red, you can still jump safely through lowsec assuming you're flying something slippery and you keep moving. Players will almost invariably stop you better than gate guns. Except in lowsec, where the players are sometimes almost as soft as the carebears in highsec.

3.) Check the map. Keep checking it along the way. A system might have had low activity ten minutes ago when you set out, and high activity now, when you're about to jump through.

4.) Try to avoid bottlenecks. If you're planning your route to take you between two high-activity zones or through a pipe (chain of systems with no branching gates) then it may look safe now but could turn ugly while you're stuck in the bottleneck. The best route is a clear route with plenty of clear systems all around it. You'll never find this, so just look for the best you can find.

5.) Check the map. Check other statistics while planning your trip, such as ship kills or sovereignty. If Goonswarm Federation holds the system(s), it might not be a safe route even if it's currently empty. If it's on the fringe of TEST Alliance Please Ignore space, you might be okay. If it runs right through Curatores Veritatis Alliance space then you better check if you're red to them. (You probably won't be if you've never had dealings with them and are in a low profile alliance. You probably will be if you're in a nullbloc alliance or any major nullsec corporation.) You can pretty safely travel through CVA space if you are green to them. You can pretty safely travel through some alliances' NBSI space because they vary in skill in camping territory. So know your astrography and check that stuff. You can learn a bit about an alliance just by checking the activity and kill statistics in their space every now and then.

6.) Get intel. It's wonderful if you can recruit a starry-eyed newbro with no implants to fly a frigate ahead of you for ten mil and provide excellent underskilled intel over comms, but even simply having an intel channel over your local space is highly useful because you can be warned of incoming fleets. The map gives you intel. Everything you can learn about the space ahead of you is intel. You can use an alt as a forward scout, and you can get an alpha alt for free, also dual-boxing is fully legal in EVE as long as you aren't using keystroke replicating bots. There is lots of intel available to you, and you need to do your homework and review it.

7.) Check the map. Plan for stops along the way if you have a long trip. Find a lowsec, highsec, bluespace, NPC null, or CVA island (preferably not NPC null) where you can dock up to take a break and rescan the map and other intel sources before continuing your trip. Along the trip you might find yourself being pursued and very happy to have that stopping point. Or you might wind up surrounded by activity. Don't be afraid to log out and come back the next day or close to down time.

8.) Fly when your mind is clear. The safest times to fly in general are near downtime, but it's also a lot safer to fly during your mental uptime. If your mind is getting tired from scanning all that intel, find a safe place to put down and take a break, clear your mind, watch some radiotelevision and/or Netflix, and come back when you're ready to perform. Make sure you're aware that people could have seen you dock and set up a station camp for you. (This is why I said try to avoid using NPC nullsec as your stopping point.) But even if you're camped, you can just sit docked until they're gone. But understand they may try to fake you out. Don't burst out the moment they exit system, rather you might just wait until it's been quiet for a while. AND DON'T CHAT IN LOCAL WHILE IN A HOSTILE SYSTEM or else you're pretty much guaranteeing a gate camp at the next outgate.

baltec1, you only talk about balance when it suits you.


Reaver Glitterstim, good stuff I know all that but it is good to post it for others. One of the thing I did was just go to an out of the way unused system in a T3C, that was before mobile depots by the way, so was not re-fitting, had to use two to get enough DPS for belt ratting, that is how gimped they are.

Anyway they add something different to the game which certain large alliances do not like, I did not say your alliance is one of them, also bear in mind that my comment on easy kills is aimed at baltec1 as we have exchanged views many times and that is how I see him..

Anyway I hope CCP do not remove this capability as it would be a big loss for many people and I don't see how small groups would benefit from this nerf unless you mean blocking campers, but that won't help much against PL or others like them, catch their recon ship in a bubble camp and they will drop the gate campers.

As for education I don't think so, the people I am talking about have been doing this stuff for years and are good at it, as I said solo or small groups will be damaged by this because they make logistics easier or should I say more consistent, because lets talk about the safety of jumping JF's to Citadels, that is totally consistent in terms of logistics. Total safety indeed...

Now you lost me. What favourite hunting ground? Provi bloc that don't even shoot back? I remember goons raid on provi at the start on fozzie sov. And you want that nerf for what? Less fighting opportunites? Because that's what you will get.
Why you avoiding the answer on my question about Wh's connections? We been there, on safer null, and it was not good at all because change was reversed.

My favorite hunting grounds are behind these gate camps, especially goons. I'm not reducing my pvp opportunities, what I am nerfing is the ability to safely bypass their defenses. A T3C would have the exact same risk with those camps as every other cov ops cruiser.

and at the same time fleets with "only nullifiy" T3Cs almost won't be harmed? Because 400 nullified tengus that you raided provi bloc will still dictate terms of engagement? Right. CCP will push this change and you will have dead nullsec. Printscreen jumps in nullsec today and after the change, you will see the difference.

Nail to the coffin. We don't need another navy cruisers. T3C biggest flavors are covops and nullified systems. If tank and dps will be hitted hard no point of using them. Swiss army knife is bull****. Rigs determine role. This is a min-max community. Nobody will use T3Cs. Read the rorqual nerf thread. No waterpool big enough to gather all that tears.

Same is said every time CCP finally deals with an overpowered ship.