EVE General Discussion

As others have posted that mining is a coma operation.... this idea has merit. Again as posted above one person posted " you don't see L4 missions being done by bots and multiboxers"...
There may need to be an addition to mining to curtail th eA.F.K. part of this.

7 years ago when i quit eve it was an issue. Multiboxing was a huge thing and there was hulkageddon as a reaction of players for that. The same solutions were proposed like "make mining more of an activity then afk brain dead zombie thing." And yet 7 years have passed and here we are.

This issue is still annoying me in this game. I came back here because of friends that wanted to try eve out but this issue is making me question buying omega anytime soon.

Its clear that CCP does not want to resolve it. and somehow i suspect that multiboxing is build in to the economy now.
I bet its one of the reasons they need those economists to balance the market because the raw materials are just too damn cheap.

Don't know much about bots but I am a multi-boxer, three accounts, 7 characters, bunch of ships. On my fourth year with three home built computers and the reason for the three accounts was to fly three ships simultaneously, run specialized characters and yes, have fun with it. Thing is, there are advantages and disadvantages to multi-ship operation. Hi-sec mining is about the only place where multi-ship ops really work; I fly a couple Skiffs and chase cans and rat kills with a freighter.

Three Skiffs in a worm hole can work, right up until it doesn't work. Biggest problem is running three ships in a firefight, especially when I'm not the greatest PvP pilot in the 'Verse. Big heart breaker: Losing three high end ships with three high end fits, think Legion, Dominix NI and a Rapier, all within about a horrifying five minutes. But I'm working on different tactics and so maybe next time out I can do better.

I like the small, routine advantages of multi-boxing. Either selling ore/minerals, rat loot and stuff or buying fit modules, many times the best price is in lo-sec or even in null-sec and I like being able to run an Ares or Nemesis on a scout mission before going in with the big bucks.

Thing is, if the bots and the gankers and even the over aggressive cowboys next door get on your nerves you can always move. There are quiet systems with all the services and asteroid belts you could ask for, and while not exactly safe (nowhere in Eve is exactly safe) the characters that inhabit these systems tend to be a bit more laid back than the more excitable denizens of what usually winds up having high percentages of noobs in house.

I've moved twice in four years, and while my current home is working out rather well if it goes sour then I can move again.

And while I realize there as many ways to play this game as there are players I've never understood the obsession with maximizing ISK/hr, seems like a stressed out job, and I've had enough of those. I play to have fun, and when I don't especially feel logging on then I don't.

You've played this game 4 years, supposedly, and than you see this multi-box fleet and now your at the end of your rope? You about to quit now? Sounds to me, like you not having fun and you were eventually going to quit Eve anyway and this multi-box fleet is just a excuse. Ask yourself, why did you mine in the first place? Do you even like mining? If you do, you shouldn't be so concerned with what others are doing. The other guy is probably spending a lot of time and resources to multi-box. He is making a trade-off, that you haven't made. It may not ideal that he could be using real life money to get ahead. But who wants to spend lots of money on this game anyway? That's no accomplishment. Instead, focus on why your playing. If your playing for fun, than your good, but if your mining just to earn isk, than not only are you a fool, but your doomed to failure. Chasing isk, especially by mining will only lead to disappointment. It is my belief that the true measure of success in Eve is not how much isk you have, but how much fun you have. If your not having fun, than maybe you should just quit.

I've never found this game entertaining when just running one client. Everything's slower and more frustrating.
I manually multi box but I would love to see how far I could take scripting and botting.
I'd love it if they allowed all kinds of botting since I feel like CCP just tries to look the other way if they can anyway.

I guess that if this is really ruining Eve Online, CCP will definitely do something to solve it. Now that CCP hasn't done anything, so multiboxers and botting shouldn't have been a threat to the player base. EVE is not a young game, and multiboxers and botting have existed as long as EVE itself, but we're still playing here. People leave (you can also leave), People come. Eve is neither too lively, but it's always alive.
Even if the situation gets worse, like on the Chinese server where the proxy company does nothing against RMT and bots, there're still people playing and having fun.
If you find this a fatal problem, just quit and look for fun elsewhere. We don't consider this as a problem and we'll still play.

Or maybe you can try to bump those 30 mining alts out of mining range one by one and mock the multiboxer in local .

I would like to see the numbers for the player base of Eve.
To see how many and how long the multiboxers have been playing their characters in relation to the newly subed player base; and the time gap in between the two.

If most of the multiboxers have been playing Eve for 5+ plus years and the newer players have been only been around for one year +- a few months. It would be interesting to see if the new players are sticking around and if new players are actually signing up, or if the player base is actually just consisting of the new alts and accounts of the senior players.

That ratio would show if Eve is still here or not.

I don't have the official number to share but, I am guessing since you have the knowledge of where to find the number you have "post quoted" you could direct me to them.

As anecdotal... When I first started playing Eve the average number of players online was right around the 40,000 number mark.

I am saying they are hurting Eve in the way that their game play affect the new to Eve player base. New and not so new players see and compete with these multiboxers and find that there is no way to compete with them on any footing. Then because of this, these people leave Eve and the player base does not grow. A multiboxer may add another account to his fold but , in my opinion, this new multibox account is far less useful to the Eve gaming community.

If you want to compare Multibox miners to Farming in the real world, you may want to look into that analogy a little deeper.
When the corporations took over the Family Farms, they may produce more at lower cost, but the ripple effect of the loss of small family farms was enormous. The deep negative effects far outweighed the positives. Overworking of the soil, massive increase in the use of pesticides and herbicides, cattle and hog waste run-off into waterways... the list goes on.

Sorry I digress....

can someone explain this to me please... on the one hand I keep hearing about how multi-boxers are ruining eve. and how no one can ever make a profit because of how many afk miners are in the belts.

but at the same time I constantly hear about how no one can ever make money mining because the second they get into a belt they get ganked...

so is it the afk miners who are running the gank fleets or something? or is there somehow a plague of gankers preventing any mining AND an armada of afk miners prevening mining??? why are the afk mining fleets not being bothered? and if mining ships are so easy to gank, why aren't you out ganking the afk miners?