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Ninja gas Venture fitting: cloak or probe?
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Renee Frost
Sarah's Covenant
#1 - 2017-03-23 03:18:31 UTC
I noticed that the ninja gas huffing Venture has to choose between having a cloak or a probe launcher in the single utiltiy high slot. E.g. http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Venture/Fittings

Which one should I go for? I might have 2 other ventures doing this with me.

Cloak: I could scan sites with an exploration frigate first and then switch to the Venture for ninja gas huffing. This is an added hassle but the cloak allows me to warp to a safe spot and cloak up if needed.

Probe: This allows me to scan down sites without the hassle of switching ships, and allow me to go from system to system looking for profitable gas sites. But if I get hunted, I can't cloak up.
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2017-03-23 03:50:45 UTC
I don't have a Venture handy right now to check, but could you not fit a cloak, and put a probe launcher and a mobile depot in your cargo hold, just in case?
Renee Frost
Sarah's Covenant
#3 - 2017-03-23 04:07:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Renee Frost
Neuntausend wrote:
I don't have a Venture handy right now to check, but could you not fit a cloak, and put a probe launcher and a mobile depot in your cargo hold, just in case?


Yeah I was thinking the same thing but...Venture cargohold: 50m3. Mobile depot volume: 50m3. No more room for probe launcher.

Unless....I fit it with cargo rigs? Edit: prototype cloak is 100m3, so it'll be hard to get it to fit.
Yebo Lakatosh
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2017-03-23 05:54:56 UTC
Cloaks are overrated. Just make safe-spots, spam dscan and never stop warping if you see combat-probes.

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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#5 - 2017-03-23 07:14:44 UTC
Yebo Lakatosh wrote:
Cloaks are overrated. Just make safe-spots, spam dscan and never stop warping if you see combat-probes.

^
this.

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Dupard Lemmont
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2017-03-23 07:58:03 UTC
Hello. I've done some gas mining.

The Ventures has the following trait:
2+ bonus to ship warp core strength
That means you can escape 2 warp disruptors or 1 warp scrambler.
You cannot escape warp disruption bubbles however.
Cloak is useless as gas cloud harvester optimal range is 1500m which will disrupt your cloak.
Its better to have a probe scanner so you can scan down sites and new wormholes.

I would fit Inertia Stabilizer II in the low slot.
- This will allow you to warp away more quickly.

Then, set up a couple safespot bookmarks in the system.
You can access these by right clicking in space.

Open D-scan. Set up and use an overview filter that shows player ships and probes (both combat probes and scanner probes).
- Gas sites need to be scanned down with scanner probes.
You can refresh D-scan simply by pressing "V" on the keyboard now. You will hear a sound and see it flash green.

Warp to bookmark the second something lands on grid with you. Mining gas in WH is not an AFK activity - you have to pay attention to stay alive.

And dont mine gas that's not valuable. For example C50 and C60 is not worth it. C72 and C82 is worth it. Check EVE-central for prices.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2017-03-23 08:07:38 UTC
Renee Frost wrote:
Cloak: I could scan sites with an exploration frigate first and then switch to the Venture for ninja gas huffing. This is an added hassle but the cloak allows me to warp to a safe spot and cloak up if needed.

I'd go for this set up. You gotta remember there's not a lot of competition from other players for Gas sites.

I'd first use a Cov Ops Frigate to scan for Gas sites and make safe spots while cloaked. While doing that check out local and see if the system is busy or not. I'd do that to a couple of systems first. Then switch into the Venture and go after the Gas sites, constantly checking local and D-scan. If you see probes on D-scan or see an increase to the systems population count, just warp to a safe spot and cloak up.


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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2017-03-23 09:38:30 UTC
To me the cloak is good for going to a safe spot and cloaking up while I have my probes out. That way I don't have to manage D scan and the probe interface at the same time. I can just focus on probe scanning. Since you can't fit both the T1 cloak doesn't make much sense to me.

Just keep in mind that if you are in a site people don't need to launch probes to find you. Often players will scan down all the sites in a few connected wormhole and bookmark all of them and then change ships into a combat ship that can fit a T2 cloak or is immune to D scan. They will warp around from site to site checking on whoever might be running them.

In the above case you will never see scan probes and since the player can warp cloaked you won't even see the ship until they are within 2500 meters. Since you are in unkown space you won't have local to warn you. So you need to stay vigilant. Of course the venture is cheap enough that you could just not worry about it. Fit the ship cheap and shrug it off if you get caught.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2017-03-23 11:07:39 UTC
Well, I was talking about low / null sec which has Gas sites too.

W-space is a different situation for sure. I didn't realize the OP was talking about W-space.



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Renee Frost
Sarah's Covenant
#10 - 2017-03-23 20:09:26 UTC
Thanks for all the great replies! Lots of awesome advice in this thread.

I think I will be going for the scanner probe fit.
Kathern Aurilen
#11 - 2017-03-24 04:59:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Kathern Aurilen
When I get around to training my gas skills this is what I plan on using. With the nanofiber, all the frigates get up to warp very fast.

[Huffington Post, Venture]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Gas Cloud Harvester I
Gas Cloud Harvester I
Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe

Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
[empty rig slot]

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Alasdan Helminthauge
AirHogs
Hogs Collective
#12 - 2017-03-24 05:15:58 UTC
ok, I have a solution if you really want them both.
Fit a cargo rig. Bring a moblie depot. Always fit your cloak.
When you want to probe, unfit one gas cloud harvester and put the probe scanner on.
Dupard Lemmont
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#13 - 2017-03-24 09:00:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Dupard Lemmont
Kathern Aurilen wrote:
When I get around to training my gas skills this is what I plan on using. With the nanofiber, all the frigates get up to warp very fast.

[Huffington Post, Venture]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Gas Cloud Harvester I
Gas Cloud Harvester I
Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe

Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
[empty rig slot]


Nice fitting! Almost the same as I use for the venture.
My points of view - to the op of this thread:
I would however swap one Adaptive Invul for an afterburner. If you do get caught in the crosshairs of some bloodthirsty bastard, the extra adaptive invul will make the difference between paper-tank and cardboard-tank. (not much difference really)
Sometimes the gas clouds are 100 km away from the anomaly warp-in. It poses a bigger risk to slowboat out to the cload, than to have paper-tank instead of cardboard-tank.

Also, train for Gas Cloud Harvester II. It will greatly decrease the time it takes to harvest.

Also, in the long run when you're getting comfy running around in WH's, sucking gas: I would aim for a prospect. It costs 18-20 mill.
It has more low slots so you can double-stab it and in addition get the benefit of covert ops cloak.
Also, 20 mill is not that much when a few hours of gas mining can land you over 50 mill.

Consider this extra trait for stabbed Prospect VS Venture:
Expedition Frigates bonuses (per skill level):
5% bonus to Mining yield
5% reduction in ship signature radius

I can also mention that the Prospect has almost 4 times the amount of HP and double ore capacity.
Kathern Aurilen
#14 - 2017-03-24 09:01:08 UTC
Alasdan Helminthauge wrote:
ok, I have a solution if you really want them both.
Fit a cargo rig. Bring a moblie depot. Always fit your cloak.
When you want to probe, unfit one gas cloud harvester and put the probe scanner on.

That seems like a lot of time in a hot system, if they are aware of u.

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Kathern Aurilen
#15 - 2017-03-24 11:11:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Kathern Aurilen
Dupard Lemmont wrote:

I would however swap one Adaptive Invul for an afterburner. If you do get caught in the crosshairs of some bloodthirsty bastard, the extra adaptive invul will make the difference between paper-tank and cardboard-tank. (not much difference really)
Sometimes the gas clouds are 100 km away from the anomaly warp-in. It poses a bigger risk to slowboat out to the cload.
your right. I absolutely forgot about that, that's how I have my ninja wormhole miner setup.
Dupard Lemmont wrote:

Also, in the long run when you're getting comfy running around in WH's, sucking gas: I would aim for a prospect. It costs 18-20 mill.
It has more low slots so you can double-stab it and in addition get the benefit of covert ops cloak.
Also, 20 mill is not that much when a few hours of gas mining can land you over 50 mill.

Consider this extra trait for stabbed Prospect VS Venture:
Expedition Frigates bonuses (per skill level):
5% bonus to Mining yield
5% reduction in ship signature radius

I can also mention that the Prospect has almost 4 times the amount of HP and double ore capacity.

I'm currently an alpha, when I resub I plan on training for that

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Renee Frost
Sarah's Covenant
#16 - 2017-03-24 13:03:03 UTC
Alasdan Helminthauge wrote:
ok, I have a solution if you really want them both.
Fit a cargo rig. Bring a moblie depot. Always fit your cloak.
When you want to probe, unfit one gas cloud harvester and put the probe scanner on.


cloak volume is 100m3 but Venture cargohold is 50m3. not enough room to stuff a mobile depot and cloak, even with rigs.
Kathern Aurilen
#17 - 2017-03-24 14:33:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Kathern Aurilen
Renee Frost wrote:
Alasdan Helminthauge wrote:
ok, I have a solution if you really want them both.
Fit a cargo rig. Bring a moblie depot. Always fit your cloak.
When you want to probe, unfit one gas cloud harvester and put the probe scanner on.


cloak volume is 100m3 but Venture cargohold is 50m3. not enough room to stuff a mobile depot and cloak, even with rigs.

Speed and awareness is more of what you need than handiness..

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Kathern Aurilen
#18 - 2017-03-24 15:40:57 UTC
Thanks for pointing out the error Dupard Lemmont

[Venture, Gas Mining Venture
Nanofiber Internal Structure I

5MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
ML-3 Scoped Survey Scanner
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Gas Cloud Harvester I
Gas Cloud Harvester I
Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe

Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I


Acolyte I x2

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Renee Frost
Sarah's Covenant
#19 - 2017-03-24 16:08:17 UTC
Kathern Aurilen wrote:
Thanks for pointing out the error Dupard Lemmont

[Venture, Gas Mining Venture
Nanofiber Internal Structure I

5MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
ML-3 Scoped Survey Scanner
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Gas Cloud Harvester I
Gas Cloud Harvester I
Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe

Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I


Acolyte I x2


Nice. Thanks! I'll probably be flying this fit. :p
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#20 - 2017-03-27 23:54:14 UTC
Prospects don't take that long to train, get into one and carry a depot to switch. You'll be very very thankful.
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