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The real downside to flying solo...

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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-01-22 09:57:27 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Vyl Vit wrote:
Sooooooo funny. The PvP heroes aren't heroes after all. Ten on one and a killmail. (might make a good country song)

Country songs are usually written in coherent English.


true but he has got an point ..

Solo PvP is about combat awarness, you kill what you know you would, and you run away if you know you dont have an chance..

So no heroes there, just the calculators Big smile

Altho there are some "persons" who would engage vagabonds in rifter Big smile
even saw one success.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#22 - 2012-01-22 10:23:26 UTC
Except not everyone plays that way, as you note in your last comment Lol

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)

Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-01-22 10:23:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Florestan Bronstein
ACE McFACE wrote:
Beaches wrote:
Even 95% of RvB have off grid boosting alts.

1. Made up stat
2. Not allowed, although I imagine some people still do it.
3. Why bother boosting a cheap t1 frigate?

RvB is about camping the enemy HQ's undock in faction cruisers/battleships

the time of frigate/destroyer brawls that were actively balanced through cooperation of both FCs has been long over (at least in EU TZ)

people changing from red to blue et vice versa to balance out activity in their respective TZs would probably only get you labeled as a traitor and/or spy in today' atmosphere.

I think the turning point was when 3rd party WTs started to farm RvB for easy kills and RvB pilots found that their frigates and cruisers have huge trouble taking on the dramiel/vagabond/cynabal camping them, no matter how the numbers look like.

At that point RvB pilots shipped up into expensive ships themselves and got their main's involved - who wouldn't like to be looked up to by a dozen newbies as he undocks a Bhaalgorn (a hundred times more expensive than everything they have ever flown) to guarantee their safety?

Nowadays RvB is more about winning and hating on the other side than about good-natured brawls. Not sure if it could generate another Major Trant (player joins RvB after one month in EVE and becomes a great FC by running fleets almost every single day, not afraid of anything) under these circumstances Ugh
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2012-01-22 10:26:09 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Except not everyone plays that way, as you note in your last comment Lol


true and more power to them Cool
Valei Khurelem
#25 - 2012-01-22 10:49:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Valei Khurelem
Quote:
Solo PvP is about combat awarness, you kill what you know you would, and you run away if you know you dont have an chance..


Have you ever flown solo before? 99% of the time particularly if you are a noob ( I honestly think it is 99% of the time because I don't think I've ever seen a situation where I'd survive even if I had a tech 2 ship so I'm not even messing you about here with a bullshit statistic ) you will be forced to run away because chances are the person who has their guns aimed and ready to lock onto you will be in either a battleship or some sort of tech 2 cruiser.

This game doesn't even allow you to have combat awareness skills for one simple reason, the enemy has already spotted you on local because they all get free intel on your whereabouts so if you suddenly pop in they'll know you'll have jumped in from a gate, you'll be immediately scanned down if you don't move quick enough and chances are they'll have warp bubbles on two gates before you even get anywhere near them. Do you know what combat awareness even is?

To call EVE Online fun is a pathetic case of denial, to claim it requires skill a fallacy.

"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP."   - CCP Ytterbium

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-01-22 10:52:46 UTC
@ Valekei

Indeed..
I always lose if i am solo ... or in small group of people where i am the most experienced one Big smile

Vagabonds, dramiels are great for experienced people because they have an ability to run away if something goes awry. Big smile
Tallianna Avenkarde
Pyre of Gods
#27 - 2012-01-22 11:04:44 UTC
Valei Khurelem wrote:
Quote:
Solo PvP is about combat awarness, you kill what you know you would, and you run away if you know you dont have an chance..


Have you ever flown solo before?
To call EVE Online fun is a pathetic case of denial, to claim it requires skill a fallacy.



i solo, have fun, and it takes skill.

No fallacy

And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell.

Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-01-22 11:07:52 UTC
Real, honest 1v1's are dead because of ecm drones anyway.

Realized the other night that even if you're using eccm you can still get permajammed by one battlecruiser that's using ecm drones. Boosting alts are just one problem with solo pvp.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#29 - 2012-01-22 12:45:57 UTC
I've managed to do solo for 99% of my PVP so far so I really can't agree with anyone that says it's not possible.

Of course there is a huge difference between 'solo' and '1v1'. The former is up to you, the latter isn't, and if you want engagements you have to learn to fight larger numbers or at the very least learn to split them up and kill off the scout/lead/bait before the rest land.

If you expect 1v1 when you solo then you are just being unrealistic.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)

Tallianna Avenkarde
Pyre of Gods
#30 - 2012-01-22 13:09:25 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
I've managed to do solo for 99% of my PVP so far so I really can't agree with anyone that says it's not possible.

Of course there is a huge difference between 'solo' and '1v1'. The former is up to you, the latter isn't, and if you want engagements you have to learn to fight larger numbers or at the very least learn to split them up and kill off the scout/lead/bait before the rest land.

If you expect 1v1 when you solo then you are just being unrealistic.


I am still ahving a lot of trouble with this. >.< No matter what i do, the rest of the gang is usually smarter then me and I get caught. Have been getting a little better, but my current situation means that I am out of practice again. *sigh* I wanna come back to brosec :P

And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell.

Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#31 - 2012-01-22 14:00:02 UTC
I've forgotte. How to do null myself, probably ought to ship up out of these frigs.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)

Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-01-22 14:00:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Yeah but i don't care what the losers think anyway.

And all those idiots claiming "1vs1 is dead" or whatever they
claim to be fact ... please, shut the **** up.

For all those reasonable reading in this thread:

Don't believe most of the people in here,
because 99% of those people have no idea how to solo anyway,
have no idea what's happening around them except what they see themselves
and believe that their limited views can be extrapolated.

Have a good day.
Arbiter Reformed
I Have a Plan
Shadow Cartel
#33 - 2012-01-22 14:27:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Arbiter Reformed
i generally solo, i also refuse to fly bc due to political issues...


its expensive, i die ALLOT but it hasnt put me off.

if you want to learn ceptors are a great place to start, i like the claw..

and yeh solo with linking alts isnt solo but that doesnt mean i dislike people who use them lol.. i just dont have the alt for it!
SilentSkills
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-01-22 15:14:57 UTC
please. EVE takes no skill.
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-01-22 15:18:54 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Yeah but i don't care what the losers think anyway.

And all those idiots claiming "1vs1 is dead" or whatever they
claim to be fact ... please, shut the **** up.

For all those reasonable reading in this thread:

Don't believe most of the people in here,
because 99% of those people have no idea how to solo anyway,
have no idea what's happening around them except what they see themselves
and believe that their limited views can be extrapolated.

Have a good day.


Agreed...

People telling what is impossible or unlikely when you are activly doing it successfully.

Flying solo gets me killed alot but I am actually having fun AND getting to fight. Unlike spending 2 hours or more prepping for a fleet for a non existant fight where your fleet either runs, hides or 50% of them leave before you even undock because they have to "get to work, feed the kids", etc. While real life is obviously more important why bother even showing up?

Politics, whining, melodrama and blobs...

Solo works for me, I luv it....

Everyone else can do what works for them...
Selinate
#36 - 2012-01-22 16:08:16 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Vyl Vit wrote:
Sooooooo funny. The PvP heroes aren't heroes after all. Ten on one and a killmail. (might make a good country song)

Country songs are usually written in coherent English.


They are?

Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#37 - 2012-01-22 16:41:10 UTC
I get 1 vs 1 often;

I have the Badger, Iteron and Bestower loss mails to prove it.
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