Missions & Complexes

So this is a very valid concern IF we knew for a fact CCP wasn't blocking multiple alpha log ins from the same machine/IP. However as you can see by a simple and quick test, CCP does indeed block the ability to log in multiple alpha accounts or even a single alpha account if you have an Omega account running.

So to accomplish this 'simple' act of launching 10 alpha bots from the same location you will need a separate VPN for each one or a way to trick the client/CCP into thinking each log in is happening from a different IP and/or machine if they check the MAC address as well. Now where logging in multiple omega accounts is supported (and probably encouraged to be honest), it is actively blocked for alpha account so circumventing that would be a lot more complex and a much more direct violation of the EULA than the sometimes murky area of 'bots/macros/iskboxer' and as such probably much better policed.

So yea, I'm not saying it ain't happening, I'm saying until I see proof I don't see how it'd be feasible in the least. This thread is 3 months old and no proof.

I'm just saying.

PS. with the rise in burner and general blitzing running the value of a lot of LP items have gone down a bit, but surprisingly not a lot and that generates a HUGE amount of LP compared to what even hundreds of these kinds of bots could ever generate, never mind FW LP and concord LP.

its not a random player theory. It is common sense. I don't need to provide proof that bots exist. It is common sense that people will do this. The better question to ask is, why not prevent alphas from being able to bot level 4 missions? Its not that people have a different opinion, it is that they are actually stupid. You demand proof of things that are common sense and extremely likely. And only CCP has the data that would provide concrete evidence.

If i was more ambitous about this game, I would definately be doing this. . Can you possibly think of something more profitable or easier bot that involves zero risk?




The problem is that you are an utter moron. How do you not understand that botting level 4 courier missions is feasible?

wow

Feasible? Probably yes. Is it happening? Only in small scale or those bots are really good at hiding. I guess other methods are even more feasible. Is it a problem CCP should address? In my opinion mining and trading bots are by far the bigger problem and should be addressed first. One problem with missions bots of any kind is that you have to operate them in very populated systems. While there are some null systems with only a few jumps per day or even week.

Market data is freely available, if its a huge problem the outcome should be clearly visible , right? If there is almost no change then why bother doing anything. Better off using Dev time on something that has a measurable effect.

People thought that the world being flat was common sense. Proof of some sort is always preferred, direct or indirect.

For example I have picked a few Caldari Navy items (Caldari is near Jita, lots of agents ect) that I feel will have a reasonable turnover and looked at their pricing over the past 180 days. 1 item has come down (almost at the same time as 15/11/16) but otherwise there has been little change.

market data

Not hard to do and it will lend a lot more credibility to your augment (assuming the data supports you) otherwise you just sound like so fake new reporter or a snake oil sales man.

maybe....switch bot on, go to work, come home, switch bot off and cash in lp and send to main, profit?

well if bots are an issue then clearly not

edit: also



thats amazing

You're making a circular logic.

Many things cannot be proven false or true, ESPECIALLY in mathematics which people consider to be the most logic science. So your sentence about what can be asserted without proof is false ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems ).

I don't think the alpha bots are a problem at the moment, it does not mean I could learn from his point.

Thanks for the advise. I don't think it weakens my argument at all. But its true that it probably influences the willingness of irrationals to understand this subject. Its fine by me that they ask for proof that the sky is blue or want to throw up silly strawmen to try to "win" in some way, its just means more bumps and attention to this topic in my view.

The smart people get it, and that is all that matters to me.



You must mean yourself when you ask for evidence of what could easily be considered to be common sense.

Of course bots exist. Whether you personally consider that a problem or not is irrelevant. It is obviously unfair for someone who is grinding LP legit, isn't it? Why should that be allowed?

Try using common sense. Is there anything so risk-free and simple that an Alpha could bot that would earn them as much isk as level 4 courier missions?

unfortunately my experience with CCP is that things don't seem to be a considered a problem worth dealing with until they effect a large amount of people.

"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." is from Christopher Hitchens and he was not discussing mathematics, he was discussing religion, which is not mathematical, logical or evidenced.

Having read the moronic drivel of the OP, you're dam right, especially with the logical or evidenced part.