EVE New Citizens Q&A

I signed up with Eve Online back when it started. Created three accounts (fighter, miner, logistics). Played for 2.5 years. Did some PvP, but I'm a vietnam vet that suffers from A.D.D. so I get burned out doing the same thing day after day. Mining in Eve helped me to relax. Sometimes I did level 4 missions with my fighter with the other two accounts on logistics ships to aid me.

One day my corp declares war without letting me know. I was transferring a shipload of T2 gear and was ganked at a gate (losing the entire shipment). A week later I am mining in high sec space to try and recoup my losses. This was back when they gave us the right to attack a player that was stealing from our jet cans.

Well it happened. The other player's indy that was stealing my ore and was flagged. He was attacked by my T2 drones, but barely escapes going into warp. A few minutes later the "same player" comes back with a strong PvP ship and quickly brings my T2 mining barge to structure and demands 10 mil isk. I pay him and he leaves. Then I go back to base, write a ticket to the developers telling about the glitch in their rule. They tell me that the game is what is what the players make of it.

I quit the game and haven't looked back for over ten years. Have continued playing other mmo's and made countless high leveled, high geared characters.

I missed Eve online, and looking at it again. But if the same rule is in place or others like it... if I can't mine or do missions in peace when I need to relax.... I will not be returning.

Btw - when I left many others left with me (over 70 players - mostly vets). They too were disgruntled over what happened to me. We all went to another mmo together. If I come back, others may follow.

When I came to Eve many friends from the VFW came with me and others followed when they heard how much fun we were having. We are all in our 50's and 60's now, but still enjoy PC gaming. When I told others about what had happened to me while at the VFW, we all decided to leave Eve and look for another mmo.

When I was mining in high sec space that day I had left the corp and just made my own (entirely PvE). But players found a way around that and came after me.

I'm sure Eve has been updated a lot in ten years and really looking forward to it, but if I am to be ganked as soon as I come in the door....




In one of the mmo's we played while on a PvP server, we were killed as soon as we came out of the training academy. We regrouped, came out all at once and went right after the ones that were killing us and took them out (one at a time). This cleared the way for us to proceed.

Started a new account on f2p to see how the game has changed. If I like what I see I will bring the other accounts in with Omega.

This is Eve. Whether or not you can get "ganked as soon as you come in the door" depends on you for the most part. If you keep doing dumb things, then explosions will keep happening. Wanting some peace and quiet is completely understandable, but due to the nature of the game you do need to be aware of the situation at all times in order to avoid unexpected rapid disassemblies.

What do I consider to be dumb things?

1. The can flipping case:

Willingly engaging other players in ships that are not fit for combat is dumb. Even though that canflipper back then might have been flying an Industrial: The mere fact that he got away the first time tells me, that you probably didn't have a warp disruptor or scrambler fitted. Think about it for a moment: Why would you ever engage in combat, when you do not have a means of preventing your opponent from disengaging? What could the outcome of such an engagement be? Here are the two most likely possibilities:

a. The other guy wanted to fight you - Worst case: You lose!
b. The other guy made a mistake, but since you don't have a means of keeping him there, he'll just disengage - Best case: You don't win!

So, you willingly engaged in a no-win scenario back then. Are you really surprised that you lost?

2. The war:

Blindly hauling stuff in highsec during a war is dumb. It's not been particularly nice of your corpmates to not tell you you were at war, but you could (and should) have known anyway. Every member of a corp will get a notification once the war gets declared. After this notification, it will take another 24 hours for the war to go live. That's enough time to either prepare or drop corp. You can always check in your corp menu if there are pending or active wars in place. And if there is one, and you really need to haul things around, then ask one of your corpmates to scout for you or fly a blockade runner at least.


So, you can probably see how things go in Eve: You make a mistake (everyone makes mistakes, occasionally) and you pay for it. This is not just the nature of Eve, but most games, really. Only that in Eve, losing hurts more than in many other games, and it's easier to make a mistake in the first place. If you can accept that losing ships is normal in Eve, and usually a result of your own actions, I think you can still have fun playing this game.

Of course, things have changed since back then. But the overall tone of the game is still the same. For example: Canflipping is barely still a thing these days. Miners simply do not need to use jet cans anymore, as all the mining ships have gotten huge ore holds. That being said, nowadays miners frequently get suicide ganked downright, without the can flipping shenanigans. Of course there are ways to avoid that, as well, as long as you are aware this is a thing that happens in Eve, and prepare accordingly.

If you can however not accept the consequences or your own actions in a video game and are unwilling to learn from your mistakes, then Eve may not be the game for you. I frankly do not think the nature of the game is negotiable either. Whether you bring just yourself, or 70, or 700 vietnam veterans to the game will not matter much.

I have looked quite extensively for a PvE space mmo or standalone. There are some these days (Earth and Beyond emulator, Astrox, Space Engineers, etc), but no one has the graphics of Eve (even from 10 years ago).

When my barge was mining all fittings were set for the highest yield or ore. Not to stop would be attackers. Frankly all I figured I would be up against were a few low level rats. I had left the corp the day my T2 shipment was taken. Wasn't active for a week. Then tried mining a bit in my own corp. This is when I was attacked. Some players want to be pirates and will practice that anywhere they can. The only thing I can think of is to find a section of space that is uninhabited when I want to mine.

Other problem: When I was here before there were many mining bots and the huge rocks we saw before were gone. All that was left was tiny boulders. If that is the way it is now (or worse), I won't even think of mining on Eve and look elsewhere.

Having a large cargo hold is nice though (about time).

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Orcas on fire off the shoulder of Tolle. I watched M-beams glitter in the dark near Uedama gate. All our ships will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die."

You could also fly a tanky ship and not fit for maximum greed yield. A properly fit procurer will put you at 60k EHP or so. A skiff even over 100k. That is fairly difficult to gank. If you then keep an Eye out for well known gankers/ganking ship types in your belt, steer a bit clear of the warp-in-point and warp out if something looks like it could gank you, you should be fine, even if you don't hide at the ass-end of nowhere.

Concerning the ore itself - bots or no bots, there are way too many players who like to mine in highsec (so the whole ganking situation is still not nearly bad enough). So, in many systems it will take just a few hours from downtime to clear most belts. That being said, there are plenty systems where you can still find boulders later in the day, but you may have to go look for them.

No one cares.

Oh well

Empyrion is far too complicated to use


Elite Dangerous is a kid's game with horrible graphics


Earth and Beyond is good if they ever get rid of the bugs


I've beaten Astrox too many times

in eve you are only a target if you make yourself a target. I've played most of the last 10 years and mainly done mission running and trading, have lost 0 ships to highsec ganks, and had very little downtime due to unwanted war. Most of the wars I've been in have been on the side of the aggressor, and I have access to out of corp alts to evade wars when they are unwanted. There is a reason cash delivery services use armored cars. When I run missions my fits are cost effective, I don't need a billion isk in shiny mods as that just attracts unwanted attention. and when I haul my trade goods I use blockade runners or deep space transports. These ships are only exposed for a brief moment making them hard to catch, and if caught can fit enough tank to beat most suicide gankers. It would take a very dedicated team to catch and destroy one of my haulers.

I don't mine, but be aware there are players that will go around and gank miners for lulz. If you fit a tank and mine in an out of the way system you will probably be fine.