EVE General Discussion

Negative.

Highsec is the most dangerous space. It's because most carebears think highsec is nearly 100% safe, think they can go AFK or fail-fit, and get asploded all day long.

Danger increases as the gap between an area's hazard and your underestimation of the hazard increases. If an area is hazardous but you estimate the hazard correctly and act and fit
appropriately, you are actually far more safe than in that other situation.

This is why highsec is most dangerous. A target rich environment where the targets have the most gap between how safe they think they are, and how safe they really are. Boom, headshot all day long. Unless you have a permit and are following the Code. Then you really are completely safe in highsec.

I think it is fair analogy if over detailed there is always a bigger fish out there that is looking for the predator that is hunting you but as for ecology the similarities of the analogy will not hold much water.



No

The only times I have had any major loses in high sec was as a direct result of something I do in low sec and I mean several different occasions and several different things but never any comeback from purely high sec activity.

Well said.

I've seen a bunch of people on the forums (though few in game, I guess the forums attract folk like this) who have asked the same question. I always use the Vegan analogy:

"it's perfectly fine that you don't eat meat and don't like the consumption of or use of meat and others animal products. Totally valid way to be, it's really ok...

What's not OK is the fact that you vouluntarily came with me to this Steakhouse style restaurant then decided to act all surprised that meat was being served.....at a mother ******* steakhouse! And no, the fact that they have a single salad on the menu does not make it less of a STEAKHOUSE".

carebear paradise games are dime a dozen and well, they typically don't stick around long.

I have to laugh every time someone talks about ruining their game. I have never suggested any huge difference to the game, I am saying "look, certain people want to be able to relax in their games. Why cant eve have a space (keyword: A, singular) for those type of player?

If adding such a space would 'ruin your game' please tell me how.

Edit: eve survives Jenn sure, but in the same way a familiar, yet old and feeble dog survives.

If by "relax" you mean "not be engaged in PvP", then Eve simply isn't the game for those "certain people". There are hundreds of other games they can choose. In a couple of years those games will be replaced by a hundred others. And so on.

Eve may not appeal to the largest number of gamers, but it certainly is among the very few games that has lasted so long. Among the reasons, not least is it's form of 100% PvP.

CCP's business is not your business, it's theirs. You are one customer, you do not speak for others.

For 13 years we've had people trying to "appeal to CCP's wallet" like you are, and for 13 years people have been seeing right through it. Your concern isn't for others, it's that YOU want to be left alone. Sorry, but no, EVE has universal non-consensual pvp as a core feature. A core feature that has defined EVE since day one. If you don't like that feature it's fine, but your dislike is no reason to change something.

We like EVE's unforgiving nature, and anyone who wants to partake in EVE has to at least be able to tolerate that unforgiving nature, or go somewhere else. The most annoying thing in the world (in game or out) is someone who goes to a new place and expects that place to modify itself to suit them, rather than that person either adapting to that place (or finding another place they actually like).

Isn't hisec pretty much what you are asking for? You can AFK off a gate in a tanked Skiff from downtime to downtime and have next to zero chance of being exploded by the other players. There is an ever-vigilant NPC police force which will provide 100% guaranteed retribution for any attack on you, successful or not, that provides a very strong disincentive for anyone to mess with you and allows you to 'relax'. Missions generally take place behind a gate giving you plenty of time to warp away if a non-NPC shows up. You can also fly over-tanked ships and laugh at anyone who sacrifices their ships to CONCORD in a vain attempt to explode you. Yes, there is theoretically some risk and a non-zero chance something unexpected will occur and disturb your comfort and relaxation, but I think the numbers show your pretty damn safe if you play hyper-defensively like this and any rare losses you have will easily be offset by the months and months of uninterrupted income you will have.

If you want a space with absolutely no risk - let's call it 'maximum relaxation space' - but one where someone can still grind resources into our shared economy, I am afraid that isn't possible. It isn't compatible with the core idea and design of the game. You cannot allow veteran players to make, gather or build things in complete safety. Such an infinitely small risk-to-reward ratio would be exploited by the players to gather power and influence in our shared Thunderdome without being vulnerable to the other combatants. That ain't gonna work.

Now CCP could build the 'maximum relaxation space' and fill it with content that doesn't affect the greater economy. Things like Project Discovery, or some new PvE content that rewards only SKINs and hats or whatever. However, unlike you, I don't think anyone would actually use it. I don't think there are very many people who play only to 'relax' with no thought given to their progression in our competitive universe. Part of the major attraction of this game, say over a game like Elite: Dangerous, is that your actions have meaning and the resources and items you gather and build have value to the other players. Whether these carebears will admit it or not, the fact that items can be destroyed or taken from you against your will, and the presences of wars and competition in free-for-all arena that is New Eden, is a major source of their sense of accomplishment in this game. People will actually part with real-world money to pay for these carebears' game time in exchange for their imaginary items. CCP is correct in not subverting this player-driven economy by making a safe space where you and your stuff is completely without risk.

If you want to play Eve without risk, your subscription also buys you access to the test server. You can relax there in any ship and do any activity you want. However, if you are want to actually play Eve, CCP has still made it possible to do so in a pretty lazy and relaxed fashion and not lose your ship. Sure, you aren't going to be mining in yield-fit Hulks that way, but a brick-tanked hauler (with appropriate cargo), mission runner or miner can be flown in pretty relaxed manner in highsec.

I see many of the suggestions to "improve" the game on the forums as EVE's version of rent seeking.



As such my first reaction is almost surely going to be, "No."

And again this goes back the Malcanis' Principle. And Adam Smith's, F. A. Hayek's, James Buchanan and John Rawls, with the general conclusion of: don't discriminate. Once you start doing that you set in motion perverse incentives.

You do all realise that arguing 'a safe space that can generate income will ruin the economy' is surely admitting 'eve players would live in safety if they could but they aren't allowed'. I think a suitable level of income would be one where it took some time to buy and fit a T1 cruiser or battlecruiser. Yes there is much more ships out there you can experience if you dip your toes in the real game but that's a choice for you.