EVE General Discussion

I bring a fleet, and transport it in by cyno. Because they will flee otherwise. Not so hard to understand

I think it was you who said I can use cyno inhibitor. So what will you do then if GC will have cyno inhib? Cyno off-grid and warp to them right?

Most GCs are maintained by the large corps in LS such as Lowsechnaya, or FW-corps and they do not fear you will drop them because they can escalate far more than you can - they have everything prepared for it.

It seems to me like all this is about is that you want to be able to destroy GCs of some random noob corps with easy. Which is hell simple with a t3 who can pass their gc, cloak, wait till they engage someone who comes and light a cyno.

Btw cyno-inhib seems to be unavailable, either there is no demand (I had demand) or the demand is too high and the production is too low. Create it on my own is a no go, noo high PI prereqs for corp that doesn't specialize in industry. Also the price makes it inefficient - its cheaper to lose 2 cruisers in the drop than to pay for somehing that lasts 1 hour only, is visible on d-scan and has low area of effect with a limitation it can be anchored 75km off gate which means that all you need to do is to move 25km off gate in right direction to light a cyno. Useless piece of crap.

are you actually being serious?

Various security spaces exist for reasons.

Oh man this is a load of bad info.

First off, the idea that most GCs in Low are maintained by massive entities that can out-escalate a null group dropping BLOPs is ridiculous. There are tons of small groups in low who gate camp at least occasionally, and most of the larger entities in Low are tiny and can drop, at best, a relatively small number of caps compared to a Null entity with more dreads in a standard drop-Cache than that Low entity can drop. They also don't have the bank to just shrug off a massive cap welp the same way a Null group can. That's not to say that a cap welp is gonna break the bank, but it's not nothing either.

Also, FYI, Mobile Cyno inhibs aren't unavailable, they're just expensive and not that useful most of the time. If, for some reason, you feel the need to burn 63m you can buy them in Jita for a semi-reasonable price, Amarr for an unreasonable one, and a smattering of other systems for anywhere between reasonable and highway robbery.

Also "just burning away from the gate" is laughable. First off, gate models are pretty big, second you pop in 10-15km off the thing in a random direction so you can actually end up having to burn about 40km to get out of the cyno inhib. By that point you're either dead or everyone's warped off, same for if you cyno in from off grid. Anyone who doesn't notice the local spike is either *hilariously* drunk or has no business leading a fleet.

Also, those same big groups you're griping about, would probably be more than happy to see cynos restricted, because as Lan quite rightly pointed out they can avoid anything they can't take, or since they're the locals, they can *undock* their capitals, warp them to grid, and "begin dealing out merry hell on a democratic basis" to every non-blue on grid.

The idea that anyone could view cynos being restricted in Low as a *nerf* to GCs is just... wat?

Completely academic though, because CCP would need an amazingly compelling reason to even consider a change like that, and "why not?" isn't it.

I've always thought that it's sort of backwards that Low Sec is less dangerous than Null Sec.

Using the Age of Sail as a blueprint, I see High Sec as the old big empires of Europe where the markets were. Null Sec is the New World or India where the exotic resources were harvested, but under fairly strong local control by semi-freelance corporations (like the East India company which had it's own military/mercenary arm).
Low Sec is that long, dangerous space in between the two.

Thus, it should be Low Sec which is truly lawless, has warp bubbles, etc. Not claimable- anyone there is a 'pirate' by default. Soldiers on opposing sides use that space to interdict their enemy's goods and pirates try to interdict it all. The real difference between piracy and legitimate warfare just a little fuzzy.

If more resources were being harvested in Low Sec, and transported thru Low Sec (as opposed to jump bridging right past it), then it would matter much more to the whole game. Make FW ownership of space matter more to the free flow of goods and it becomes part of everyone's interests to keep it stable. Null Sec, as well as the NPC empires.

Speak for yourself.

Pfft..

There are 3400+ NS systems for cynos/caps. (Both NPC and Player)
The narrow 800 system LS buffer between HS and NS would be better served as a non-cyno sub-cap sector.

what does the amount of systems have to do with it? if anything traveling around 800 hostile systems is reason enough to allow capitals and cynos

You know, making it harder to invade null from outside would drive up local conflict. Why have so many blues if you aren't worried about being jumped on from the centre of the wheel that is the eve map. Of course, null players only claim to love dangerous lawless space so they won't like any changes to cynos.