EVE General Discussion

This is not a game problem but a player base problem. People would rather hell-dunk than have a fight.

Remove cynos. Player base behavior will change to adapt.

Some will leave LS.
Some will adapt.
Others will enter LS.

The wheel of EVE will grind onward.

I’ve spent most of my time in Eve in lowsec. Mainly because it provides easy logistics without kissing the ring.

Once upon a time I actually mined in lowsec with a couple barges (2007). I lived down a pipeline that saw maybe 2-3 jumps a day. Then the hauler bots came and increased traffic and piracy, then I moved.

I Setup a POS out in the middle of nowhere no stations for 5 jumps or so, and had my own little space carved out. Did my own thing with a couple of friends, solo PVP was a thing and it was fun. Anyone sticks around too long you’d run them off, give them hell until they had enough and would leave. In fact there was another POS in the system with a small gang, we fought off and on for a couple weeks till they had enough and they left. It was great content!

Then faction war came and there’s very few places that doesn’t have faction war bringing heavy traffic to the places that doesn’t have it. All those places are overrun by growing corporation/alliances that are either pirates or building up for taking some sov space. Leaving the very few places hard to do the Combat sites and forget about any industrial work.

With all the hot dropping, bait, falcon alts, etc no one wants to bring a challenge, the time it takes to find that isn’t worth the investment. I don’t find small hull 10 second battles fun. Currently at least, so solo/small PVP is out for lowsec atm.

I would like to see Lowsec changes designed around solo/small parties. Also, a separation of PVE and PVP. When I PVP, I am PVP fit and don’t have to perform PVE content. However, if you PVE you have to PVP in a PVE fit. So most just check d-scan and warp off. No PVP is had, no PVE is had, loose for everyone. If a small party want’s PVE or PVP challenges I don’t see a compelling reason for the need to join an alliance when your perfectly happy with the current diversity, friends and direction of the corporation you’re in. Nor pay monthly to play by someone else’s “vision” or rules. Lowsec was the happy medium back then for that and could be again.

Faction War space needs to be reduced greatly. Faster for people to find fights and more epic battles. While opening up space for more activity, carnage, industrial and local politics. Never happen, but no one said it had to be realistic.

thats a completely selfish and arrogant reply. the answer to this is, we already have it so removing it is a bad idea when it p***es on pretty much every lowsec group in eve by removing a core mechanic, you also dont need capitals to do havens or any other pve content in null so i fail to see any merit in your logic here.

"Tbh if you have interest in cyno content, and cap content, you would be better off in Null anyways." explain please because the mass amount of capital users in lowsec disagree with you here.

"(Vast empty sectors of NPC Null if you dont want the hastle/competition of Sov, or Player Null, if you do.)" - cant see a capital being much use in an empty system in the backend of null unless its to rat with which again you dont need a capital to rat havens...

"afraid of equal playing field in NS?" what does that even mean, there is no equal playing field anywhere in eve, you obviously assume i haven't lived in nullsec.

"why dont i?" because i like flying caps in space that isnt a 10% tidi slugfest, is that good enough for you?, im sure all the other lowsec groups who specialise in caps and black ops will agree.

"9/10 of this thread" lol this thread is not a reliable source to assume that all of lowsec wants capitals removed. your idea will kill lowsec. simple

"LS wants sub-cap/non-cyno PvP." say who? you and like 3 other people over the hundreds if not thousands of capital pilots in lowsec, ok

shut up salvos and get off your high horse.

"You are afraid of NS, and of a non-cyno/sub-cap LS. You want to keep LS as a cyno/cap playground though neither cynos nor caps are justified nor needed there, especially as entering from NS, whilst the majority of players want LS to be a sub-cap/non-cyno sector without NS exploitation" - how did you guess? this is the most ******** thing ive ever actually heard.

"2) You like flying caps in space that has no bubbles or smartbombs.. You probably also enjoy bypassing LS gates between NS and LS, and within LS.? How comfy." when were smartbombs removed from lowsec? i was in tama just yesterday smartbombing . who cares about bubbles, you can tackle a cap without a bubble did you forget about hics?, and if i wanted to cyno in null id fly nullifed to a citadel, not hard is it?

5) no, thats just your assumption based on this thread which again is not a reliable source.

6) they are justified in lowsec and appears ccp agrees, otherwise they wouldnt be here.

8) i havent actually used a capital in months, my killboard shows that

7) are you assuming they are not?, every lowsec group ive come across has titans, supers and caps and are not scared to use them.

Cynos and caps gtfo of LS to NS, where they are rational and belong.

LS will do very well without cynos or caps, and sub-caps is what LS wants, deserves and is a appropriate to its content and mechanics.

Especially without NS cyno/caps dropping with impunity on LS, whereas LS drops to NS suffer from bubbles and smartbombs.

Go play cynos/caps where they belong.
In NS.

Only those dropping caps in every opportunity will leave and it will be a good thing.

I live(d) in one ls region few months and it looks like this.

Corporations living there are afraid to fight each other in ls unless they have an mutual agreement that they won't use a cyno (friendly enemies concept). Because everytime you start bigger fight the other side will light a cyno and drop capitals to overrun you. Even if none of the sides has actually capitals, they might have agreement with one of the ns groups dropping ls noobs - they do it for free as long there are targets worth the killboard. And let say you have one capital pilot and you try to drop on their drop. What happens is they will escalate...

So ls as it is now is a farm zone and gank zone. Peoples are ganking with t3+cyno drops or stratios/astero if they are solo most of the time. The few rare fleet fights usually end up with a capital drop, POCO/BOS bashing always end up with a capital drop because even those who have no defending capatibility can just simply call to the Initiative or other dropping groups and tell them hey guys in this sector there is 15 peoples in battleships bashing POCO, do you want to drop them? And they will want to do it.

Majority of the players dropping capitals in ls doesn't even live in ls. They live in neighboaring ns and sending a solo t3 gankers around all the ls because they are bored in ns or idk what.

It sounds to me that you are one of those roaming around in tengu dropping sin on procurers you gank. Am I wrong?

Anyway - even I though removal of cyno is not doable in lowsec from a mechanical/gameplay point of view. I take back, if the cyno in ls would be changed so only JF can jump into it or perhaps it would be restricted to 0.1 it could work.

And it would be easy to see if it kills LS or not - simply temporarily try it out in single LS region for a month or two and see how it goes. I bet the life in there increases.

"It sounds to me that you are one of those roaming around in tengu dropping sin on procurers you gank. Am I wrong?" - yes you are wrong.

"Majority of the players dropping capitals in ls doesn't even live in ls. They live in neighboaring ns and sending a solo t3 gankers around all the ls because they are bored in ns or idk what." - wut? so shadow cartel, EE, waffles, snuff, project mayhem, LSH, DHSJ etc etc are nullsec now?

Corporations living there are afraid to fight each other in ls unless they have an mutual agreement that they won't use a cyno - top tip, put up a cyno inhib...

call to the Initiative or other dropping groups - or any lowsec group, take your pick everyone will show up for content, its not exclusive