EVE General Discussion

Rainbow Connection is pretty solid though.

Truth is what aligns with reality, but eve is a game. That means the reality of the game is open to change. Aside from economics, and I'd also push for nerfs to rewards in line, I haven't seen a good argument for why eve should push away 'carebears' when it is trying to grow.

I don't care if HS players can't afford anything better than T1 battlecruisers, but why can't eve have a place which actually is safe?

Sounds like enjoyable gameplay.

As enjoyable as a 100% safe themepark area, which is what you are calling for.

Because that's not what EVE is. EVE is a cold, dark universe in which the strong survive and the weak are slaughtered for their enjoyment. Highsec is a grudging acknowledgement of the fact that new players need a place to get started, so the rules of engagement make it undesirable to attack them in most cases. Their ships don't drop enough loot to be worth suicide ganking for economic reasons, and nobody is likely to hate them enough to do it for personal reasons. But that's the closest EVE comes to safety. If you fly an expensive ship or make enemies you can be killed even in highsec.

This design principle is what makes EVE, unlike most games, interesting. Other players are always a factor in your life, there is no opportunity to play it like a single-player game. Violating this core principle would be like proposing a spaceships expansion for WoW. At some point you just have to say "this is not what our game is about, if you don't like it play one of the games that is more to your taste" instead of sacrificing the integrity of your product in a desperate attempt to please every potential customer. And I don't think it's a coincidence that EVE has survived for the past 13+ years while game after game that lacked a consistent and unique identity died.

So if those players might as well not exist from your point of view, and they give CCP money, why not have them around? I get you don't want eve to lose its identity, me neither, but eve is a big game and surely there's room for all types?

In your last post you're telling me all over what EvE is, what highsec is. EvE is a game, if it was a cold dark universe, I wouldn't be sat in my pyjamas writing this. You say you need to make enemies or fly an expensive ship to die in highsec, this is untrue. Gank groups gank whoever they like because they have fun doing it. In the past a solo ganker would(might?) have wanted to make a profit on their ganks, but now the corp provides you ships why bother? If highsec really is nothing more than a newbie zone, lets rip out all of the well-paying content. Right now eve is just confused as to what it wants to be, it has been since incarna, the buzzword is sandbox and to me that means, do what you like.

What really makes eve interesting is the unpredictability of player interactions, but sometimes people just want a taste of the familiar. Why chase them off somewhere else?

First you write about those PvE players are not interacting with anyone else, stopping playing (PvP players dont stop playing the games?), then you write they might not exist at all.

Then you write that everyone interacts with everyone in EVE and you cant play by yourself.

So what of it is fallacy and what is not? One excludes the other.
Did CCP ever wanted to make PvE server?
ISnt everyone essentially a PvP player in a PvP game here??

This is a cancer that must be removed.

Some would say you have it exactly backwards. Nullsec is highly organized. You only think of it as disorganized because you don't belong there. There are very clearly defined power blocks and they dictate every single aspect of your existence. Sure, you get stragglers and opportunists wandering through once in a while, but if they're a threat then they are dealt with.

High sec is the most disorganized - the most chaotic. Sure, there's CONCORD, but that's all there is. It's made up of thousands of tiny entities all pulling in different directions, and some larger groups like CODE or war-deccers/gankers like Marmite or Orphanage gobbling up targets of opportunity, but there is no order. There are just the rules - the mechanics of who can shoot who when, and the certainty that if you attack someone without a valid reason it will cost you your ship - a price many are willing to pay.

Wormholes are like gypsy camps or travelling cruise ships. The people live inside, and they go out and visit strange new people every day and kill them. Then they roll the static and rinse/repeat.

Ok. As a ex-miner and ex-ratter that never touched pvp expect for being ganked while mining or hauling i must disagree with people saying high sec should be safe. More safety in high sec means more afk-farmers and that is what is driving this games economy to the ground.
It is what made me quit the game 6 years back. I cheered the Hulkageddon guys for what they were doing.
Highsec, lowsec nullsec. I don't care what you are doing as long as you are actually PLAYING the game.