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Plex Vault

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Kathern Aurilen
#1 - 2017-03-19 15:07:51 UTC
Should the PLEX changes be limited to a transferable nontangible ungankable currency like is ISK or a physical comity that has to be transported like everything else.

I like the idea of a bank being safe when I deal with those kinds of thing being a lowly alpha miner. If I was working towards a plex to go omega that would take 2-4 month to make, I would me nervous to transport too.

But I know that being a comity, being hauled means a lot of realism and risk and reward. It would change a lot of the risk and rewards aspect of the game.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#2 - 2017-03-19 15:16:27 UTC
Way back. Back before the Eve gate was even discovered, humanity had perfected a method of electronically transferring money and information from place to place.

It seems kind of unrealistic if we can't manage to FAX a simple document like a Pilots Licence Extension between characters.

Mr Epeen Cool
mkint
#3 - 2017-03-19 15:29:45 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Way back. Back before the Eve gate was even discovered, humanity had perfected a method of electronically transferring money and information from place to place.

It seems kind of unrealistic if we can't manage to FAX a simple document like a Pilots Licence Extension between characters.

Mr Epeen Cool

If you want to play with that reasoning, all BPs should be non-inventory, a lot of the R&D stuff, tags, who knows what else. I *know* you've been around forever (I even used some of your terrible battleclinic loadouts when I was a rookie ;) ) You know not to apply any form of realism to game mechanics.

I have mixed feelings about the PLEX vault. CCP has been all over the map when it comes to PLEX safety from the beginning. Originally you couldn't undock a plex at all, then you could reverse redeem but not claim in a different station, then you could undock a plex, and now the vault will let you reverse redeem and claim anywhere. But the story of the plex has changed in regards to who's using them, what types of people spend $ on them, the sense of "cheating" or "lazy" they tended to carry in the beginning, how people understand them. Maybe the point of the vault is to nudge plex back to being more rookie friendly like ETCs seemed to cater to in the old days. Or maybe we've got EA stooges in charge and it's all about the dolla dolla bills, damn the consequences.

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Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2017-03-19 15:31:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Soel Reit
Mr Epeen wrote:
Way back. Back before the Eve gate was even discovered, humanity had perfected a method of electronically transferring money and information from place to place.

It seems kind of unrealistic if we can't manage to FAX a simple document like a Pilots Licence Extension between characters.

Mr Epeen Cool


seems pretty logical to me that we actually can't do it!
humans tend to go back and not evolve!
#TwistedFate

edit: mkint beat me even this time! FeelsBadManRoll
Salvos Rhoska
#5 - 2017-03-19 15:52:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Imo if PLEX is going to be cut into 500 pieces, it should require transport.

Ofc the Plex magnates dont want that.
They want a vault to hold and transfer it all from.

FML.
This stinks so goddam bad.

PLEX is an INGAME ASSET.

It should be bought/sold/transferred the same as any other.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2017-03-19 16:43:21 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


PLEX is an INGAME ASSET.



That is probably what they want to get away from. I mean, what exactly is a PLEX used for in game? What is the point of having an in-game asset if it has absolutely no game play use?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2017-03-19 16:45:38 UTC
mkint wrote:
Or maybe we've got EA stooges in charge and it's all about the dolla dolla bills, damn the consequences.


There is more money to be made with PLEXes if they can be destroyed in space without ever getting used. A PLEX going boom and not dropping is currently money directly in their pocket since they don't even have to provide a service no matter how small for it.
Cade Windstalker
#8 - 2017-03-19 17:06:59 UTC
PLEX has never, ever, needed to be moved to be used. You can buy it on an alt, even an alt on another account, and contract it to the account/character that needs it at which point it can be activated remotely.

PLEX that actually dies in space was either the result of:


  • RMT or similar
  • Idiocy
  • People with more in-game money than ****s to give
  • Some weird snowflake case where someone requested PLEX be moved, probably because they weren't aware it can be activated remotely.
Ronnie Rose
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2017-03-19 17:22:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Ronnie Rose
Actually, I like the PLEX vault.

It will **** the gankers off, and make them cry.

We're not here to change the game, we're here to change YOUR game

Kathern Aurilen
#10 - 2017-03-19 17:28:31 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Way back. Back before the Eve gate was even discovered, humanity had perfected a method of electronically transferring money and information from place to place.

It seems kind of unrealistic if we can't manage to FAX a simple document like a Pilots Licence Extension between characters.

Mr Epeen Cool

True but that also means old timey spies can get into ur hanger and do a lil bit of industrial esbonage with a lil key ring camera. Or one of the dock workers pull a joyride in your cruser for a reinactment of Ferris Bueller's Day Off.

No hanger could be 100 percent safe. Considering the size of them they have to have dock workers, maintain crews people coming and going.

No cuts, no butts, no coconuts!

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Kathern Aurilen
#11 - 2017-03-19 17:33:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Kathern Aurilen
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


PLEX is an INGAME ASSET.



That is probably what they want to get away from. I mean, what exactly is a PLEX used for in game? What is the point of having an in-game asset if it has absolutely no game play use?

That's true.

Plus CCP is getting away from aur(thank god). I rather it more fluid that I can buy something out of the skins market without some 3rd form of currency

No cuts, no butts, no coconuts!

Forum alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew!

Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#12 - 2017-03-19 18:13:20 UTC
Why would one need to fly around with a PLEX anyway? Are the means of avoiding doing that invalid now or something?


Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#13 - 2017-03-19 19:57:41 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


PLEX is an INGAME ASSET.



That is probably what they want to get away from. I mean, what exactly is a PLEX used for in game? What is the point of having an in-game asset if it has absolutely no game play use?

It's main use is the fact that you can lose it. Simple as that.

Remove standings and insurance.

Ronnie Rose
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2017-03-19 20:52:31 UTC
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:
Why would one need to fly around with a PLEX anyway? Are the means of avoiding doing that invalid now or something?




The only reason I can think of to fly PLEX around is people unwittingly redeeming them at a location that cannot give top ISK value at a station.

I had an experience where a Citadel was offering a respectable amount of ISK for PLEX, but turned out to be a scam. I had to move the PLEX to a non player owned station to sell for ISK.

We're not here to change the game, we're here to change YOUR game

Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2017-03-19 20:52:58 UTC
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:


PLEX is an INGAME ASSET.



That is probably what they want to get away from. I mean, what exactly is a PLEX used for in game? What is the point of having an in-game asset if it has absolutely no game play use?

It's main use is the fact that you can lose it. Simple as that.


Looks more like a technical work around to me. They made it an item so it could be put on the market since everything on the market is an actual item. The fact you can move it around and by that also lose it is only the result of what they were stuck doing with it.
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#16 - 2017-03-19 21:11:54 UTC
please leave all feedback for the upcomming plex changes in the designated thread. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=514314&find=unread

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