EVE General Discussion

Sigh. Sure is a problem for wiser men than me.

I know Im a newbie, but the immediate problem that CCP
are addressing is monetary.
They went from trial to alpha, darn big leap.

Seems that the problem is how to make new players enjoy
their first days, weeks so much they want to stay.
Thats why I keep addressing these tings that bothered me
the most when I started. (Many remember my sad, early
rage against this game)

That's fine, but there is a forum for new player ideas where lots of ideas are posted. Some frequently...too frequently (i.e. use the search button or google please).

And you might want to read this. Or at least this part,



With any proposal you should ask, "How could this be abused?" You are new so you may not see it, so if you do have an idea adding that question to any posts about ideas would be a good move; with an upside you might learn about certain mechanics you were unaware of prior to posting.

Don't try and make EVE "better for new players"; just try to make the game better for everyone and the new players (or miners, or solo PvP, or small alliances, or hi-sec CSM voters) will benefit just fine.

This could be written on the Eve tombstone

Hopefully not for awhile, and perhaps it would be better served by being written over the doors of CCP's building.

Edit: And at the risk of dragging this off into politics (please don't though) Buchanan and Congleton arrived at the same idea for society in general.

Here is a nice summary of the concept:



In short, how would you design the rules of a system not knowing your place in that system? It is not unlike the problem of how to cut a cake fairly. In that case you set up the following rule, the person cutting the cake selects the last piece. To maximize his share the cake cutter will cut all pieces to be the same size.

Yes and no - there is a definite trend there if you look at any metric* but it doesn't mean that the outcome is inevitable. But based on around 20 years of experience with both sides of the fence when it comes to video games (as a player and developer) my experience would suggest that Eve is if everything continues on current trends in a downwards decline to a critical point around 2-3 years from now where declining activity levels will go into a spiral as less activity will breed less activity combined with the lower income meaning less investment in updates to the game. (This is more an instinctive thing than something necessarily calculated).

And I honestly believe the solution partly lies in embracing a certain, though limited, amount of canned fleet content both in PVP and especially PVE that brings people together earlier in the game - especially mission arcs for say 2-4 players that don't have them running back to agent after every site and take them around the game world a bit.


* Even the graph posts a couple of pages back of concord activity when you filter out the various factors tends to show a declining trend in active players as well.

This is not a bad idea at all. Joining a corp could be too big a leap for many.

So missions or some ingame billboard system (WiS ) where you could
temporarily get together and form a fleet, do whatever and then separate.

Like forming a music band for a few gigs.

I would agree with this for the vast majority of players. EVE is not a theme park game. Playing it as a solo lone wolf player from the get go is going to lead to alot of frustration and annoyance, IMO. If you first find friends/corp/alliance you'll learn faster, earn faster, and hopefully have fun. If at a later date you want to try going back to the lone wolf suff...go ahead, you'll be better equipped to handle it, IMO.

WTF is a Ceta? Mean "Gamma"?

My latin teacher is turning in his grave lol.

Is there ANYTHING in between?

You are either in a corp. or you are a nogood loser with no future in Eve.

I simply dont want to be told what, when, where.

Im a family man who cant play on a regular basis and absolutely
not sit here and shout stupid things in to a microphone.

Not Latin. Greek.