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Hulk. Ore Hold and Jettison.
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Thor Aumer
Vanguardia DR
Sigma Grindset
#1 - 2017-03-14 16:38:07 UTC
Hi. I ll try explain my problem. Sometimes i try to mine with hulks and a booster, for example, a rorqual. The problem is that... THE HULK MINE MORE IN 3 MIN THAT U CAN JETTISON!

freight container is not an opcion becouse i use a MTU with the rorqual for take all the ore and compress them. I cant take all the profit that i can per hulk becouse the time of jettison...

any idea or a next update about that?


P.D. Sorry for the language, i am learning!
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#2 - 2017-03-14 16:46:04 UTC
Wrong tool for the job. MTU is for pve stuff not mining. Rorqual has tractor beam, use it.

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Thor Aumer
Vanguardia DR
Sigma Grindset
#3 - 2017-03-14 16:49:22 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Wrong tool for the job. MTU is for pve stuff not mining. Rorqual has tractor beam, use it.



Tractor beam is useless too. The Hulk mine more than his ore hold in 3 min so u cant jettison.
Sitting Bull Lakota
Poppins and Company
#4 - 2017-03-14 17:46:01 UTC
Wait, are you suggesting the hulk should have its yield reduced?
Thor Aumer
Vanguardia DR
Sigma Grindset
#5 - 2017-03-14 17:54:52 UTC
Sitting Bull Lakota wrote:
Wait, are you suggesting the hulk should have its yield reduced?


more ore hold or reduce the jettison time
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2017-03-14 18:05:14 UTC
Have you tried just dumping stuff into the same can until you can jettison another one?
Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2017-03-14 20:05:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Matthias Ancaladron
Just jettison the can and use it as runoff.

Asteroid > hulk > can > rorq

Hulk puts ore in hold into can after every cycle
Rorq moves ore in can into hold.

Just leave a separate stack of 1 ore so the can doesn't dissapear between cycles.
The can will stay there as long as there's 1 item in it. You can effectively just drag and drop ore from the hulk into the rorq this way.
Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2017-03-14 20:09:39 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Wrong tool for the job. MTU is for pve stuff not mining. Rorqual has tractor beam, use it.

A 50m3 compression array deployable would be nice.
Like a mobile depot that compresses ore.

Or to balance it have it only be able compress a certain amount of ore per minute, not all at once, or compress it with a lower efficiency.

Enough ore for 100 compresses units? Instead you get 90 or something so there's a loss.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2017-03-14 20:39:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
Just jettison the can and use it as runoff.

Asteroid > hulk > can > rorq

Hulk puts ore in hold into can after every cycle
Rorq moves ore in can into hold.

Just leave a separate stack of 1 ore so the can doesn't dissapear between cycles.
The can will stay there as long as there's 1 item in it. You can effectively just drag and drop ore from the hulk into the rorq this way.

Did you miss the part where he says he uses an MTU?

Even if he jettisons to a can, the MTU tractors the can away from his Hulk so he can't use it anymore. That's the whole point of this thread, because of the MTU and the jettison timer, his efficiency is down.

@OP use a secure container and anchor it. That should give you sufficient overflow capacity. They dont have as large a volume as a jettisoned can, but you only need to use it for a short period before you can jettison again. Anchored containers won't be tractored.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2017-03-14 20:46:08 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
Just jettison the can and use it as runoff.

Asteroid > hulk > can > rorq

Hulk puts ore in hold into can after every cycle
Rorq moves ore in can into hold.

Just leave a separate stack of 1 ore so the can doesn't dissapear between cycles.
The can will stay there as long as there's 1 item in it. You can effectively just drag and drop ore from the hulk into the rorq this way.

Did you miss the part where he says he uses an MTU?

Even if he jettisons to a can, the MTU tractors the can away from his Hulk so he can't use it anymore. That's the whole point of this thread, because of the MTU and the jettison timer, his efficient is down.

@OP use a secure container and anchor it. That should give you sufficient overflow capacity. They do t have as large a volume as a jettisoned can, but you only need to use it for a short period before you can jettison again.


He has a rorq on grid, there is no need for an MTU except being lazy. Have the rorq pull in the cans after waiting for the hulk to dump at least 2 cycle in it. Then, the Hulk will be able to create another can to jettison.
Thor Aumer
Vanguardia DR
Sigma Grindset
#11 - 2017-03-14 20:57:38 UTC
The cycle are 48 sec. And i mine aprox 2500m3 per cycle.

I need 4 cycles for jettison and there is 192 sec more than 3 mins. I mine with several accounts so is not for lazy. Is for efficient.

This is the point.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#12 - 2017-03-14 21:00:38 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
Just jettison the can and use it as runoff.

Asteroid > hulk > can > rorq

Hulk puts ore in hold into can after every cycle
Rorq moves ore in can into hold.

Just leave a separate stack of 1 ore so the can doesn't dissapear between cycles.
The can will stay there as long as there's 1 item in it. You can effectively just drag and drop ore from the hulk into the rorq this way.

Did you miss the part where he says he uses an MTU?

Even if he jettisons to a can, the MTU tractors the can away from his Hulk so he can't use it anymore. That's the whole point of this thread, because of the MTU and the jettison timer, his efficient is down.

@OP use a secure container and anchor it. That should give you sufficient overflow capacity. They do t have as large a volume as a jettisoned can, but you only need to use it for a short period before you can jettison again.


He has a rorq on grid, there is no need for an MTU except being lazy. Have the rorq pull in the cans after waiting for the hulk to dump at least 2 cycle in it. Then, the Hulk will be able to create another can to jettison.

Yep. My apology.

OP, stop being lazy. Fit a capital tractor to your Rorqual.

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#13 - 2017-03-14 22:59:29 UTC
Thor Aumer wrote:
The cycle are 48 sec. And i mine aprox 2500m3 per cycle.

I need 4 cycles for jettison and there is 192 sec more than 3 mins. I mine with several accounts so is not for lazy. Is for efficient.

This is the point.


You can also tell your bot to not activate all your strips at the same time.

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Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#14 - 2017-03-14 23:18:28 UTC
Use tractor beam. Then you don't need a new can every 3 minutes.

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Commander IceQ
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2017-03-19 11:36:07 UTC
Or park all your hulks next to the Rorq and mine into the fleet hanger, compress, profit. Hulks are designed for high yield and with small ore hold, if you want a bigger ore hold use mackinaws.

Main idea of the responses is, instead of wanting unnecessary changes, stop being lazy and organise your fleet better.

I used to mine HS belts with 6 hulks, 1 orca, 1 bustard. If I can do that without ever having the same "issues", then really you need to organise better. With the rorq compress you don't even need the hauler.

I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#16 - 2017-03-19 14:25:37 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Thor Aumer wrote:
The cycle are 48 sec. And i mine aprox 2500m3 per cycle.

I need 4 cycles for jettison and there is 192 sec more than 3 mins. I mine with several accounts so is not for lazy. Is for efficient.

This is the point.


You can also tell your bot to not activate all your strips at the same time.


Wait a second, how did you get a strip miner down to 48 seconds?

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2017-03-19 17:48:15 UTC
I ran into this problem once while on a mining op with an Orca that would tractor each can as soon as you jettison the thing. I had to request the Orca pilot let the can sit there for a while so I could just throw ore into it. I bet it's slightly more difficult with a MTU because you can't tell it what to do.

Maybe you could launch a freight can next to you and let it fill for a while, then when you jettison your ore, very quickly throw all of the freight can ore into the jet can.

I wouldn't support increasing the Hulk's ore hold, but I wonder if the very old 3 minute jettison timer could be reduced?


elitatwo wrote:
Wrong tool for the job. MTU is for pve stuff not mining. Rorqual has tractor beam, use it.

Way to miss the point of the post. He didn't say the booster is always a Rorqual, furthermore perhaps he and the booster are having communications issues; I've known mining boosters to not always be the most helpful types. And then you downplay his choice of logistics tool. That's tacky and not constructive.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2017-03-19 18:17:47 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
I ran into this problem once while on a mining op with an Orca that would tractor each can as soon as you jettison the thing. I had to request the Orca pilot let the can sit there for a while so I could just throw ore into it. I bet it's slightly more difficult with a MTU because you can't tell it what to do.

Maybe you could launch a freight can next to you and let it fill for a while, then when you jettison your ore, very quickly throw all of the freight can ore into the jet can.

I wouldn't support increasing the Hulk's ore hold, but I wonder if the very old 3 minute jettison timer could be reduced?


elitatwo wrote:
Wrong tool for the job. MTU is for pve stuff not mining. Rorqual has tractor beam, use it.

Way to miss the point of the post. He didn't say the booster is always a Rorqual, furthermore perhaps he and the booster are having communications issues; I've known mining boosters to not always be the most helpful types. And then you downplay his choice of logistics tool. That's tacky and not constructive.


It's not EVE's fault if he can't communicate with his fleet member. The problem is 100% on his side.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2017-03-19 18:22:00 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
It's not EVE's fault if he can't communicate with his fleet member. The problem is 100% on his side.

I'll agree it's a point in favor of moving this thread to Ships and Modules.

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