Intergalactic Summit

Which is why I said I'll assume that instead you meant what is in the OP in the best faith possible.

That you had a second one I wasn't aware of. Apologies then.

That's called good science.



No, you're not. This is a lie. It is a sneaky, false-smile kind of lie, a claim to civility while having no resemblance to it.

You absolutely think she wants to sling mud at you, because her findings are contrary to and discredit yours. Do you know what a good scientist does when someone's findings run contrary to their own? You reexamine your experiment. You try to find your error. Not assume that the other scientists are "out to get you" or have some kind of agenda.

By the way, if you ever bother to actually take my advice and look for the error in your research, it was in trying to "interview" a person/clone/whatever from a mission. That's moronic on levels I thought only Goons were capable of.

I respect you, Khross, so I'll keep this brief.

Tukoss is not simply residing in Republic space, he is under the direct employ of Eifyr and Co. The fact that he's getting capsuleers to do most of the running around is neither here nor there, as every corporation in New Eden does the same.

Frankly, I'm surprised to see a Wiyrkomi employee calling my statement propaganda. Show me a single Republic effort that has gone anywhere but down a toilet, or admit that I'm simply stating fact.

Challenge accepted.

I will start with something simple: the fact that an underfunded, under trained, outnumbered navy still in its infantile stages continues to stand against the most well funded, highly trained, largest navy in the cluster.

Further, the fact that Matari engineers have designed an impressive line of ships that contend with some of the best ships the rest of us have to offer while working with less resources, time and funding.

However, as is my tendency, I will provide you with direct informational links:

The court would like to direct your attention to the basis for modern tracking algorithms, used in tracking enhancers and computers cluster wide, as well as the basic tracking systems used on every turret on every ship:



Implemented by Boundless Creation, a Republic corporation, the above algorithm may be the only shining gem among the corporation's turbulent history, but it is one of the major contributing factors to the economic growth of the Republic and it is the "one successful effort" you asked for.

However, I figure I will provide you with a quick brief of the very company the Caldari traitor defected to:



I could provide more, but I haven't the time to search for all the necessary information to back it all up, so I'll simply leave it there. The military success of the Republic, engineering breakthroughs, and research in biochemical manufacturing, implants and the leading source for adaptation in chemical reactor technology based on newfound polymers.

I am sorry to disappoint you, Vartesa but you were not speaking fact.

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Congratulations, Mr. Khross. You've simultaneously earned the admiration of a slave girl, and proven where your loyalties lie. Duly noted.

And for the record, spouting off press material from Republic corporations is hardly a solid argument. I can make bold claims about industry-standard algorithms all I like, but that does not make those claims fact. Besides, the rare successes of individuals within the Republic are not accomplishments of the Republic itself.

As for holding off the Imperial Navy, you must be joking. The only party doing any holding off there is Concord, and without them you and I both know how that would end.

First, Kalaratiri is not a slave, unless that's changed in the last twenty minutes.

Second, my "loyalties" have always lain with honor, integrity and trustworthiness. I have never stated otherwise. Further, I fail to see how using factual information to debase a nonfactual argument proves where my loyalties lie except with honesty and integrity. If I must use one-sided nonfactual statements to be loyal to something, then it isn't worth my loyalty.

To the point of your last statement: Yes, with the resources, size and power of the Imperial Navy in full force against the Republic, it would likely emerge victorious over the Republic Navy. However, it would not do so without suffering significant losses proportionate to the skill and tactics often employed by the Republic Navy. Remember that the Matari are used to being outnumbered and outgunned, their military maneuvers practically depend on that being factor. Namely those invented and used by the Defiants and Shakor past. (I understand these are not necessarily reflective of the Republic, but they are reflective of the Matari ingenuity for unorthodox strategy.)

There are also historical accounts of the Matari being outnumbered and outgunned either emerging victorious, forcing a stalemate or punishing the Imperial Navy severely in engagements.

My statements had absolutely nothing to do with loyalty to anything but honesty and integrity, they still don't.

This is not to single you out for an attack, Vartesa but rather I felt this was a very valid point that I wanted to address individually.


Is not a body the sum total of its parts? Is not a society the sum total of its people? Is not a government the sum total of its occupants?

Every historical account involves individuals, or individuals composing groups, or individuals composing groups that compose empires.

In short, successes of individuals are precisely what make up success of the Republic, just as they are with any entity, including the Amarr Empire, the Caldari State and the Gallente Federation.

And for the record, I did not quote "press material," I quoted your NeoCom write up of those corporations, which is provided by a neutral party, namely CONCORD.

There is no hostility on my part Vartesa, I apologize if it seems so. I stand by truth, honesty and integrity no matter whose side they may be on.

I uh...think you misunderstand the reference, Vartesa.

Mekhios would be the system where the Elder Invasion that devastated the Imperian Navy reached its peak until the final confrontation that resulted in the destruction of the Elder Fleet.

The technology from your side, Vartesa.

His point was that without the Jovian weaponry used by your Empress (in point of fact, I am unsure its origin was ever determined, but I may incorrect), the Elder Invasion would have continued and done even more devastation. It was a cited reference to the defeat of your own fleets at the hands of a Minmatar one.

Although, the Republic has stated time and again that the Elder Invasion was not sanctioned by the Republic, so it is more a reference to Matari success, not Republic success.

I have been civil with you up to this point, but if you're going to take it upon yourself to chastise another human being, at least make sure you actually have the mental faculties to understand what they're saying first, otherwise find a mirror and repeat your statement.

Slave girl? Your little fantasies aside, I was born free, and am still in that position.



If you have read, well.. anything Arkady has posted on the IGS, you would know that he is more than capable of keeping up with a conversation. He also manages to reply civilly without making himself look like an arrogant bastard with every second word. You might want to learn how to do that.

Are you suggesting that Mr. Vartesa is somehow representative of the "progressive" factions in the Empire?