EVE General Discussion

CCP needs to slow the ISK faucet down in HS while generating new content. Any ideas expressed may be the kernel that sparks a Dev's new idea that puts a forth a new mechanic that may improve EVE for all the players.

1) Nerf HS Incursion income by removing the current Incursion types to only LS and NS. Introduce a much smaller Incursion class of site (new Scout class) to HS that offers a greatly reduced ISK/LP payout. These new sites could be ship class restricted or not, but they should be made for 1-3 pilots. There should be a limit of running only 2-3 sites in a 24 hour period; activating modules would become impossible in sites once one exceeded their limit. This forced the large continuous Incursion fleets to move to LS/NS and reduces the huge amount of ISK they make per hour, while allowing newer players a chance to try out higher end content.

2) Change all HS Level 4 missions to have less agent information revealed when offering a mission. Blitzing blinged out ships in level 4 missions has been a constant complaint by those seeking to make changes. Agents would, of course, inform what type of mission it would be but, with the exception of if it is against one of the four major factions (Minmatar,etc) , exact information about opponents/force would be eliminated. Have a RNG generate both the opponents (all types) and graduated loot table to range from easy to extremely hard. All missions are entered by a gate and once entered, can only be warped out once. The gate becomes locked for 6 hours to ALL ships, so alts cannot be used to scout beforehand. When entering a site via gate, a pilot will be greeted by part of the opposing forces who will auto agress, hopefully preventing the overuse of Mobile Depots to change at warp in during a mission. The current Level 4 mission protocol remains in effect in LS/NS, so blitzing mission runners who want to keep their current practices will have to change locations. Burner mission protocol remains the same in HS.

3) Significantly reduce the standing hit from ship kills in LS and replace part of it with a new standing meter called Reputation. This reputation only applies in LS and increases at a slower rate than the current penalties for ship kills. This Reputation could be improved by a yet to be determined mechanic. Reputation would have the most effect on the new mechanic of LoPo/Gate guns.

4) All LS gates that directly connect to HS have increased gun power and new AI, as well as a new LoPo fleet presence. The LoPo are defeatable by a powerful enough force, but the gate guns have to really hurt. LoPo remains in close proximity to only the HS gate. All other gates and sentry guns remain the same in LS. This would hopefully encourage players at least the ability to peek into LS at the gate and then decide if they want to adventure out of the protection of the gate defences. Hostile pilots with LoPo reps of good/neutral could still gate camp or scout nearby and be ignored by the LoPo, but this new mechanic should increase the traffic flow of people venturing into LS.


5) Offer small scannable ore sites of much rarer ore that would encourage small 1-2 man groups into LS, but discourage large scale farming by larger groups.


I know that these ideas are incomplete or not fully thought out, but I think most of the people posting in this thread want to improve EVE or at least keep it healthy. By combining new content with reduced HS income, perhaps a larger number of people will begin to explore LS/NS. Simply nerfing HS without offering new content will just drive more people to other games. Keeping the current HS/LS gate mechanics the same discourages newbros and others from even trying to make it in LS. I would think that CCP welcomes all ideas even if 99% are non-workable, in the hopes that a new concept that was overlooked may be discovered or inspired.

I agree with you that incursion isk inflow might be causing the issues, but I don't think reducing isk income in general is a good idea. When I mentioned a lower reward for HS, that is only for content that would be copied from LS. If you reduce the isk income even further, then people will further not want to risk their expensive ships into LS/NULL because the cost of replacement would be out of your reach.

If your idea is to entice people to go into LS or NULL, then maybe you need to create a type of content for items that are not sellable, or some kind of special standing system like you mentioned, that can only be obtained from pvp that gives out rewards that cannot be sold.

Then the risk vs reward may be worth it for people in HS.

In other online games, these type of enticements are PVP gear that cannot be obtained any other way. This would be a similar system.

In a way both of you are right. It depends on how you look at my answers.

I want HS to change, to have the content that LS and Null has, except with less rewards, which technically won't change LS.

However, I agree there are other issues with the current system. The high incursion isk income being the main glaring one. I think that is what a lot of people are perceiving as easy money, even though it isn't that easy unless you are in a well oiled team for incursion. Either way, a lot of isk is there that make people think it is why they are not in LS pvping. (Good luck with incursion groups in LS, because they are so well oiled, you will have issues pvping them.)

Other issues being blitzing missions. But instead of nerfing the reward, how about just change the mission objective to having to clear all the NPCs? that would solve the blitzing problem easily.

This is impossible and preposterous.

Give me any reasons why it is impossible and preposterous? I don't think you even understand the reason for the current condition. Were you here back in 2003 when EVE first started? people practically lived in low sec back then. I know I did. Low sec was relatively safe and only once in a while someone would get a surprise to their freighter. The actual gate camps happened much closer to null than HS.

Why are you bringing bubbles into the conversion like nullified ships don't exist?

Explain to me how L5s in HS will improve LS?

L5s in HS will improve PVE content, it will not directly affect LS, but maybe reduce the solo rattlesnakes doing L5s by changing L5s to be not soloable.

Should cynos and supers be allowed in HS as well?

Explain to me why cynos and supers affect LS so much? How does it affect you personally?

Should there be 10/10 DEDs in HS?

Yes, and it should be a team only. Being able to do it solo is ridiculous.

Should there be CONCORD in LS and NS, as there is in HS?

What does concord have to do with any of this? The reason for Concord in HS is to keep PVP out of HS, which currently it doesn't because of the stupid suicide bombers. That needs to be fixed as well.


To summarize. HS should be a safe place to do PVE content without interruption. Null would be an alternative to do this content if you belong to an alliance who operates in that zone.

LS should only be for PVP content, or higher reward PVE content, but it should not be soloable.

No it's not. If CCP wanted to keep PvP out of high sec, it would be impossible to attack anyone without a valid war dec.

Suicide ganking is present by design. It's nothing new, CCP have had over a decade to get rid of it if that's what they actually wanted to do. They quite obviously don't.

CONCORD exist primarily to allow for a distinct area in which there is punishment for crimes committed, unavoidable ship destruction is the consequence for breaking the law. They are not there to make it impossible to break the law though. This is by very deliberate design.

If that was true, then stations in HS would still be destroyable. The changes they have made recently have all been to make it harder and harder to pvp in HS. Not less.

No, because it would still require you to group up to do them. Instead of solo, and it should not be soloable. Or you can keep the LS version soloable because of the increased risk in pvp.