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Closing incursions by killing the Mothership

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#181 - 2012-01-21 02:31:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Dzajic wrote:
CCP CSM meeting

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3377

Notes from said meeting:

http://www.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2011/CSM_CCP_Mettings_7-9_12_2011.pdf

Inflation in EVE is minor; PLEX is unrelated to ISK flow; Incursions are good for the game.

Those ain't my words, those are words of CCP and CSM.

And in case you wonder why PLEX is high.

https://secure.eveonline.com/fanfest/default.aspx

Nothing new, same happened last year. Couple thousand people buying from 6-30 PLEX to go to Iceland as its easier for them to spend couple dozen billion game money than couple hundred real $. Gee I wonder if PLEX will go up.


1) The meeting happened before Christmas vacations (when increased player base puts more pressure on economy.

2) EvE used to have deflation till the last year. Turning to inflation means something happened that turned the tables enough to flip a long deflationary trend.

3) On May 2011 PLEXes rose by almost 100M over the prior months. Look at the PLEX prices on bi-yearly trend over there. Then, instead of tanking during the summer they kept rising. I somewhat doubt that people were buying PLEXes in August because of a trip to do half a year later.

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MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#182 - 2012-01-21 02:49:19 UTC
This gives the term MILF a whole new meaning.

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BENJAMENIZ3R
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#183 - 2012-01-21 02:53:32 UTC
As an incursiom runner, i feel we make too much isk from these sites... They were meant as a PVP carebear experience. So as a concerned evetizen, i am disheartened that this experience is ruined in favor of some few pilots running them so fast to make isk and excluding those they deem 'not shiny' enough.
As a BTL pub member i call for Brick and others to hurry close the MOM sites in hisec as fast as possible.
We really must move our incursions to low-sec to foster moar pvp.
Some silly newbies might think EvE isnt about PvP, so here is your wake up call
everyone vs everyone
Read that into an accronym and close your silly little yaps.

Darius and those with him, pls continue your fine work, you are iterating on CCP's original idea and i salute you
gascanu
Bearing Srl.
#184 - 2012-01-21 11:06:46 UTC
how about both tdf and btf stop running incursions for a while, and go back to running missions or whatever?
Do you really think they will pay? They can't be that stupid, the second they pay they'll have a dozen alliances on they'r ass trying to do the same Lol
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus
The Initiative.
#185 - 2012-01-21 11:18:41 UTC
gascanu wrote:
how about both tdf and btf stop running incursions for a while, and go back to running missions or whatever?
Do you really think they will pay? They can't be that stupid, the second they pay they'll have a dozen alliances on they'r ass trying to do the same Lol



If they paid I am sure those involved wouldnt tell a soul, to protect their racket.

Hint: Give him the 176 M isk a day and be done with it.

Hmmm
gascanu
Bearing Srl.
#186 - 2012-01-21 11:31:34 UTC
Darius III wrote:
gascanu wrote:
how about both tdf and btf stop running incursions for a while, and go back to running missions or whatever?
Do you really think they will pay? They can't be that stupid, the second they pay they'll have a dozen alliances on they'r ass trying to do the same Lol



If they paid I am sure those involved wouldnt tell a soul, to protect their racket.

Hint: Give him the 176 M isk a day and be done with it.


not after you posted all over the place how btf need to speak with you or you will close the incursion; ppl are nor that stuppid, you know, or at least i hope they aren't Big smile
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
Cat Scratch Fevers
#187 - 2012-01-21 22:08:06 UTC
Hmmm ... closing the incursions by killing the MOM quickly.
Purpose?
a. griefing HiSec runners
b. lutz
c. making point aimed at payout
d. wanting the best loot for selves.
e. trying to force CCP into action so you can whine about it
f. all of the above?

Nothing clever at this time.
XXSketchxx
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#188 - 2012-01-21 22:36:15 UTC
Nick Bison wrote:
Hmmm ... closing the incursions by killing the MOM quickly.
Purpose?
a. griefing HiSec runners
b. lutz
c. making point aimed at payout
d. wanting the best loot for selves.
e. trying to force CCP into action so you can whine about it
f. all of the above?



Purpose of this post?
Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#189 - 2012-01-22 04:24:01 UTC

I wish people in these posts would stop defining bullying behavior fueled by anonymity or peer support as sociopathic behavior. They are very different. Also please stop acting as if Null is so damn dangerous. In Null if a red pops in you pos-up or you fight. It is much harder to avoid getting ganked in hisec than Null due to NBSI rules of engagement. Wormhole space is dangerous. It is where those who really want to skate the razor's edge go.

This wonderful campaign is ganking and extortion and it looks like in Darius's case a dangerous but incredibly fun to watch attempt to outshine the CSM chairman in "I influence CCP" points. It's eve in all its wonderful Eve colors. Let's stop pretending it's something more.

Incursion runners simply fleet with friends and the logi issue is solved. Find the motherships first and gank the gankers. I assume you can afford it. Imagine the massive gank battles that would have to take place under Sansha mothership lasers? I would love someone to FRAPS that.
Dino Boff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#190 - 2012-01-22 05:07:36 UTC
Little clarification. Krissada's fleet is not blitzing the motherships. We are just killing them as soon as they show up as it was meant to be. As a result some of those incursion events have been very short.

But the responsibility is on the capsulers who are blitzing this event and on CCP who didn't fix some of the sites. Without these broken sites, HS incursion wouldn't generate this crazy amount of ISK, those incursion wouldn't be so short, capsulers would focus on getting that mothership down instead of farming those events and HS bears wouldn't be so addicted to that easy ISK.

Thanks to Krissada for fixing the game.
Endeavour Starfleet
#191 - 2012-01-22 05:21:32 UTC
New incursion in Ancbeu as of this post. Now here is to the hope they will remove the mom soon after it spawns. BTL and TDF leadership must be replaced.
Spineker
#192 - 2012-01-22 05:26:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Spineker
The fix is to make them non-respawn then the Epeens and their broken CSM's can go back to Null and pretend they are important. Then like all other MMO's you kill the trash to get to the Boss. Not hard to understand they will still get huge rewards. Just up the Mothership Drops (really hard?)

Then the CSM's can go back to pretending they are important. Which they have become far too important today.
Katherine Starlight
Doomheim
#193 - 2012-01-22 08:26:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Katherine Starlight
New highsec incursion in Ancbeu as stated some posts ago, gallente space, please close it as soon as possible on the behalf of all EVE players.
Yours sincerely
Katherine
Endeavour Starfleet
#194 - 2012-01-22 08:47:07 UTC
Mothership site spotted go get it!

Another primetime day without incursions should put nice pressure on the BS so called leadership.
Endeavour Starfleet
#195 - 2012-01-22 08:53:22 UTC
Another Incursion in Haurala going to get to pwn multiple incursion sites today. The Tears from TDF and BTL leadership will be terrific!
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#196 - 2012-01-22 09:43:11 UTC
Alizma wrote:
Frankly CCP has made it way to eazy to be pirates in this game, giving hualers, traders and miners very little defence.

Doing something like this just makes the game pointless, what do you get out of it? whats the point, why stress the other players? just so you can be greedy and have everything to your self?

Again i seriouslly disaprove of this actions, goes to show how much Eve online has declined to balless swines.

You were playing a game ill-suited to your gentle temperament. Give my warm regards to your fellow gamers in SW:TOR.
Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
#197 - 2012-01-22 10:53:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tenris Anis
Dino Boff wrote:
Little clarification. Krissada's fleet is not blitzing the motherships. We are just killing them as soon as they show up as it was meant to be. As a result some of those incursion events have been very short.

But the responsibility is on the capsulers who are blitzing this event and on CCP who didn't fix some of the sites. Without these broken sites, HS incursion wouldn't generate this crazy amount of ISK, those incursion wouldn't be so short, capsulers would focus on getting that mothership down instead of farming those events and HS bears wouldn't be so addicted to that easy ISK.

Thanks to Krissada for fixing the game.


HS Incursions NEVER ever did generate a crazy amount of ISK in the first place. People just screwed up their math when calculating their incursion incomes.

Traveling to incursions ain´t free. Wait times for fleets are not free. Losing a contested site is not free. You are losing time everywhere in the process to run incursion. Some people seem to forget this when they are talking how much they make per hour. Sure you can do a site every 6 minutes or so, but only once you have done all preparations before. And you can not just login make 30 millions in 30 minutes and just log off. You have to commit more time into a profitable incursion run, else side factors are eating your profits and you would have been better off running l4s in high or sanctums/whatever in null. There is risk involved even in vgs, it may not really the risk to lose your ship, but you can and do end up for example traveling 20 systems just to realize that someone did kill the mother, and this happens even before the current events on regular basis. `

Weiland Taur wrote:

Incursion runners simply fleet with friends and the logi issue is solved. Find the motherships first and gank the gankers. I assume you can afford it. Imagine the massive gank battles that would have to take place under Sansha mothership lasers? I would love someone to FRAPS that.


Why? I mean besides getting tears ...

Remove insurance.
Dzajic
#198 - 2012-01-22 11:43:32 UTC
For n-th time. There is nothing broken or exploited about how Incursions used to be. You are making stuff up to justify your actions to rest of the community; you know you are doing it for tears and lulz, but for some mysterious reason you are striving to prove that you are doing a good thing and benefiting the game.

Once again I will point out to CSM minutes. Nor CCP, nor its game economist, nor CSM have pointed out that Incursions are broken and that any exploits are being used.

So I suppose you are just so much more cleaver than CCP and CSM and see what they do not.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#199 - 2012-01-22 12:36:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
I love how all you need to do is run the Incursions as they were originally intended (not leaving them to be farmed) and suddenly you're drowning in entitled carebear tears.

Keep it up, guys.

Quote from BTL last night: "I've cancelled my account. I will only play again if CCP ban this griefing"

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Mikal Red
Vanguard Research
#200 - 2012-01-22 12:44:51 UTC
Dzajic wrote:
Once again I will point out to CSM minutes. Nor CCP, nor its game economist, nor CSM have pointed out that Incursions are broken and that any exploits are being used.

So I suppose you are just so much more cleaver than CCP and CSM and see what they do not.
I'm sorry, what?
CSM Minutes wrote:
the time for adjustments based on player behavior data is at hand – adjusting the distribution of the sites and adjusting the payout being highest on the list
That was agreed by both CCP and the CSM. Page 8. So it would seem there are things that need to be fixed, like people have been saying.
Also, it's not spelt cleaver.