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Tiberius Greer
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2017-03-16 18:40:23 UTC
So ive been using the VNI for ratting against bloods, too slow.

I know the Ishtar is a step up but not by much.

I was told the next one up is a rattlesnake, but is it a viable ratting ship? How long would it take to clear a forsaken hub?

I'm nowhere near getting into a carrier yet so i want something decent to rat in that takes maybe 20 minutes to complete a site.

Someone please help!
Ryder 'ook
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2017-03-16 19:29:10 UTC
Dominix?

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Doctor Biologist
Fisher Scientific
#3 - 2017-03-16 19:50:22 UTC
If you specifically want a drone boat then yes, rattlesnake is your best bet. Dominix would be next down the line.

I have had good success using a machariel because I found drone aggro was a pain in the ass. But putting that aside, my first choice would probs. be a rattler.
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#4 - 2017-03-17 07:47:31 UTC
Ryder 'ook wrote:
Dominix?


Domi would not have that much more DPS that a VNI, well assuming its a shield fit VNI. Just has better tracking, Range and tank in exchange for mobility.
Torin Corax
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2017-03-17 08:07:43 UTC
Against bloods a nightmare would be a decent non-drone option.
Assuming you have the skills of course.
Ryder 'ook
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2017-03-17 11:11:24 UTC
Andrew Indy wrote:
Ryder 'ook wrote:
Dominix?


Domi would not have that much more DPS that a VNI, well assuming its a shield fit VNI. Just has better tracking, Range and tank in exchange for mobility.


Paper dps, yes, you are right.

But application is where the difference in clearing speed lies. Applied dps is significantly higher with the Domi. Especially when using MJD/sentries.

And another thing that is important, at least to me: A simple T2-fit Dominix costs less than 250 M ISK.
I like to fly cheap where possible.

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JC Mieyli
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2017-03-17 11:18:10 UTC
why not paladin
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#8 - 2017-03-17 11:18:57 UTC
Since you "live" in blood raider space, did it ever occur to you to fly a blood raider boat?

Maybe I am the only one but investigating your environment and getting the 47508247586591346815754785690 hints they drop for the really, really, really and really, really slow people "might" be and indicator.

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Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2017-03-17 11:46:33 UTC
goons forum could have answered your question!
oh wait... they are too busy kicking people that have voted for other CSM candidates and stated it on that forum Cool
Takh Meir'noen
24th Imperial Recon
#10 - 2017-03-17 17:23:55 UTC
Tiberius Greer wrote:
So ive been using the VNI for ratting against bloods, too slow.

I know the Ishtar is a step up but not by much.

I was told the next one up is a rattlesnake, but is it a viable ratting ship? How long would it take to clear a forsaken hub?

I'm nowhere near getting into a carrier yet so i want something decent to rat in that takes maybe 20 minutes to complete a site.

Someone please help!


I can clear a Forsaken Hub in ~20 minutes in my VNI. Are you using T2 Praetors? Are your drone skills bad?
JC Mieyli
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2017-03-17 18:45:14 UTC
ofc the drone skills arent bad he ased for ADVANCED fit
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2017-03-18 00:44:13 UTC
I used both a HAMgu and Rattlesnake against Serpentis Forsaken Hubs. Both moon walked right thru those and Havens with nary a scratch (I frankly had both over-tanked but didn't bother optimizing the fit). The Tengu was more hands on and interesting to fly, and much easier to GTFO if a pack of neuts showed up in local. The Rattler was semi-AFK and boring, but equally effective. Most of the time I didn't even need to MJD away from frigates that got close- just pop out some lights, finish them off, then redeploy the sentries and get back to work on the BS's.

The main reason I favored the Tengu was for escalations- I could easily reconfigure the Tengu to be cloaky/nullified to get there and back, then mobile depot back to my PvE fit to run the site. Since my cargo space was limited, I only grabbed shiny loot and popped the wrecks.

Sophs Monster
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2017-04-30 20:12:49 UTC
Takh Meir'noen wrote:
Tiberius Greer wrote:
So ive been using the VNI for ratting against bloods, too slow.

I know the Ishtar is a step up but not by much.

I was told the next one up is a rattlesnake, but is it a viable ratting ship? How long would it take to clear a forsaken hub?

I'm nowhere near getting into a carrier yet so i want something decent to rat in that takes maybe 20 minutes to complete a site.

Someone please help!


I can clear a Forsaken Hub in ~20 minutes in my VNI. Are you using T2 Praetors? Are your drone skills bad?


Which drone skills would you recommend adding?
Sophs Monster
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2017-04-30 20:13:54 UTC
Are most people ratting in the Vextor Navy Issue? I assumed that was a starting ship and that those people making big money ratting were using a better ship?
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#15 - 2017-05-01 05:22:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Mephiztopheleze
Sophs Monster wrote:
Are most people ratting in the Vextor Navy Issue? I assumed that was a starting ship and that those people making big money ratting were using a better ship?


The true glory of the 100MN passive shield VNI is that it offers, hands down, the best ISK:RISK Ratio in the game.

Sure, there are other ships that will make with much danker ticks, but then there's a lot of extra risk you're taking. You can rat up the cost of a new VNI in a couple of hours (in a VNI at that). It would take far longer to rat up the cost of a ratting carrier, even with the higher ISK/hour.

My personal favourite ratting ship was a polarized Vindicator. Sadly, recent AI changes have made that unfeasable :(

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Sylvia Kildare
Kinetic Fury
#16 - 2017-05-05 14:48:36 UTC
Tiberius Greer wrote:
So ive been using the VNI for ratting against bloods, too slow.

I know the Ishtar is a step up but not by much.

I was told the next one up is a rattlesnake, but is it a viable ratting ship? How long would it take to clear a forsaken hub?

I'm nowhere near getting into a carrier yet so i want something decent to rat in that takes maybe 20 minutes to complete a site.

Someone please help!


There is another option besides changing ships... get a 2nd toon and thus a 2nd VNI!