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Dev blog: PLEX Changes On The Way!

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Alderson Point
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#321 - 2017-03-17 08:47:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Alderson Point
Caldana Haath wrote:
Well, someone at CCP seems to have forgotten the lessons of "Burn Jita", although we're not talking about equal levels of stupidity.

At least not yet. But this is still pretty bad.

The Concept of granulating PLEX and combining both AURUM and PLEX is not bad. In fact, if properly executed it could be a nice improvement on the mechanics comparable to revamping the ice mining. But as always, the devil is in details. Here is some criticism:


  • The Straight-out division of PLEX by 500 is illogical. As others have mentioned earlier, division by 720 (ie. 1 hour of Omega time per PLEX) would be more reasonable. Or divide by 30 for 1 day per PLEX.
  • basically irrelevant as Omega time is only going to be purchasable monthly. Size is whatever suits their ongoing micro sales intentions.

  • The Sample picture of PLEX vault alone is intrusively using valuable screen space. If one has to, a wallet subdivision would be a better place. The Best you can say about it is that it's not as bad as the original mandatory captain's quarters.
  • agreed, in the wallet, or assets tab would be neater, but this puts it front and centre for Sales and marketing

  • The Concept of "PLEX vault" itself is bad. PLEX needs to be a in-game item which has associated risk of getting shot down. This is EvE, risks are to be expected and idiots need at least a chance to learn.
  • there are many opportunities to undock with expensive stuff in cargo hold, it isn't a reason to treat plex in the same way. Read above post to see WHY it is being done.

  • Blatantly stealing those sub-1000 amounts of AURUM is stupid and evil. If you worry about PLEX inflation, cash it out as few hours (or days) of omega time (or maybe equivalent free skill points!) or something similar. Don't simply steal it.


Re removing sub 1000 Aurum balances, I Totally agree,It is an appalling suggestion, naturally the lobbying (CSM) by the Nullblock bulk holders will have convinced CCP that diluting their massive Plex holdings would be bad for EVE, and they have the good of the game at heart, honestlyRoll

It is a BAD decision, The nullblocks are big boys and will cope with it, we do not need CCP to manipulate things in their favour, at the expense of the little guy.
Nightehawke
Badhawk's Lowsec Adventure Safari
#322 - 2017-03-17 08:58:44 UTC
Write off my aur, you can write off my subs. I understand the desire to unify your currencies because AUR was stupid and poorly implemented to begin with. However blatantly ripping off your paying users because you boxed yourself into a corner is idiotic and a great way to ruin your company and any goodwill the community has towards it.

Why spend money? When for all we know next week/month/year you decide 500 plex currency is awful (it is) and you screw over anyone with 499 plex or less. You're undermining the very trust your users give you when they pay into this game. If you do this why should anyone with half a brain spend money here when they can spend it on any other number of games who literally won't run off with their money? Wow sure is basic compared to eve but at least they're not stealing from their paying userbase.
Tam Arai
Mi Pen Rai
#323 - 2017-03-17 09:04:03 UTC
i think converting to one currency is good

i think stealing aurum is bad
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#324 - 2017-03-17 09:04:11 UTC
First they steal mah carrier, then they steal my aurum.

Dear CCP, this will soon become a question of morals. Like, how can you disapprove of me stealing from you while you steal from me and totally ok with it?

I can confirm that I have NOT received any aurum gifts, so taking whatever aurum I have leftover is 100% genuine theft.
Kal Mir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#325 - 2017-03-17 09:08:51 UTC
CCP Phantom wrote:
Changes are coming to PLEX, Aurum and the New Eden Store!

Our first planned change is to convert every existing PLEX into 500 PLEX. After the change, anything you could get for 1 PLEX from CCP will instead require 500 PLEX. We will also convert all existing Aurum balances above 1000 Aurum to the new PLEX.
(...)

Why don't You just change PLEXes into AUR and let you buy gametime for AUR? (also add AUR as ingame item).
Lothros Andastar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#326 - 2017-03-17 09:21:03 UTC
This is an idiotic idea. CCP once again shows they are out of touch with the playerbase and don't care about stealing from their players to line their own pockets.
Gyges Skyeye
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#327 - 2017-03-17 09:29:23 UTC
A couple of things;

1. Unifying your various real money based currencies by killing Aurum; Good.
2. Trying to stiff arm your customers by not cashing out sub 1k Aurum balances, after charging real money for Aurum, while openly stating your financial motives for doing so in a public devblog?: Bad... Dude where's my class action lawsuit bad.

"Devblog citation for the record" wrote:
Q: Why are you only converting Aurum balances above 1000?
A: A large portion of the total Aurum stockpile is in small balances left over from past giveaways and by not converting those small balances we mitigate risk of oversupply in the PLEX market



Imagine for a moment that some company like Sony would go and publish an announcement saying to the effect 'All PlayStation Network Wallet balances under $5 will not be honored and have been deleted.' They would take a lawsuit up the rear sphincter. Your a corporation that is selling product across jurisdictions worldwide and what you've proposed is going to run into problems. It's theft with more words.

You do have options for removing the long tail of Aurum accounts off your balance sheet responsibly. You don't have to convert all that Aurum into the new PLEX system at a single time. You can convert sub 1000 Aurum balance it 1/6th at a time for 6 months after freezing the obsolete currency. Or more plainly, you could outright convert remaining sub 1000 Aurum into Skill Points at a rate of your choosing, appropriate to the training time it could create. That's a piece of monetary policy that you do control, would remove the PLEX liability from the balance sheet, while furthering your goals of getting more players to try the process of consuming skill points.

Ultimately as a customer the concerning thing here isn't that you are streamlining your currency or altering what products you might sell via microtransactions in the future. The concern lies in the fact a multiple point failure in your internal practices and controls has occurred to the point where you have publically published and openly declared an intended path of theft. That failure requires internal review.
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#328 - 2017-03-17 09:46:36 UTC
Con Solo wrote:
CCP is killing the PLEX trade just like they killed the boosters. Magically transporting PLEX through a Vault is complete nonsense. Give an undocking warning FFS. You will get the same result of "protecting new players" without destroying an aspect of the game.

And CCP says "oh but moving PLEX will still be a thing". No it won't- there is now a surefire way to move PLEX throughout the universe safely. This is killing a portion of the economy many players enjoy.

I am hoping this is all a bad April fools joke. The Vault must not happen.


The Vault is actually good idea. Anything reducing jita undock fapping stupidity is a good idea.
Going to 1 currency is also a good idea I can support.

Stealing AUR on the other hand is complete wacko. CCP has truly lost it.

Astrid Farnsworth wrote:
People need to stop freak out and wait for more detail. This is like the pre-alpha status update.


That's what they said about fighter and rorq changes.
Look at them live. Now look at this.
Lunoh
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#329 - 2017-03-17 09:50:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Lunoh
why not 300 or 600 ? it would open up the possibility for paying for just 1 day of game time in the future, also **** move for stealing my 250 AUR...

for example if i wanted to buy the marauder pack for 5400 AUR all i need it getting the 24.99 € aur package, without the extra few aur i would need to buy the 49.99 or a combination of smaller packages which would mean a money loss, i am srsly considering contacting German customer protection, it might be pennies but they are my pennies
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#330 - 2017-03-17 09:58:38 UTC
Roland Schlosser wrote:
Why don't we just gank everything in Jita/Perimeter until they drop this stupid idea


ganker tears best tears.
Saco Bissett
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#331 - 2017-03-17 09:58:53 UTC
Stealing something I paid for is not going to fly.

Splitting up a plex to 500 pieced but requireing you to have all 500 pieces to add game time is ********.
Gregorius Goldstein
Queens of the Drone Age
#332 - 2017-03-17 09:59:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregorius Goldstein
If you want the players to love the new PLEX use it as a motivation and drop one here and there. Perhaps escalation from high-sec to low-sec could have a chance to drop a mini-PLEX? That kind of stuff to encourage players to go where they didn’t dare to go before.

And I like the idea to split PLEX by 720 to make it one hour of game time each.

Now about the “CCP is robbing our Aurum” problem:
- Players made a lot of Alpha accounts to get free YC119 Yoiul Festival Accelerator
- All those accounts got free Aurum a few days later
- CCP does not want to convert all this free Yoiul Aurum to Mini-PLEX (I guess)
- Therefore CCP won’t convert “low” Aurum amounts to PLEX

I can understand the problem here, but they should not handle it like that because this throws all the players under the bus that didn’t register Alpha accounts for the Yoiul giveaways and just have some "legit" Aurum left. Perhaps CCP can do it like that:
- Convert ALL Aurum on Omega-Accounts to Mini-PLEX (don't mess with Omegas...)
- Convert Aurum amounts bigger than 500 on Alpha Accounts to Mini-Plex (last free Aurum giveaways were 400 and 100 if I remember right)
- Convert Aurum amounts of 500 and less on Alpha Accounts to ISK or give out a shirt/hat/whatever
- Just DON’T make any Aurum disappear without compensation to avoid unnecessary drama
Thilien
Marvinovi pratele
The Bastion
#333 - 2017-03-17 10:08:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Thilien
So I hope this PLEX change is the first step from featuree called "pay for time you spent in game".

I want for such a long time to have such an option in EVE and WOW to pay xx amount of PLEX/money to either
1/ play for 2 - 3 days as Omega clone
2/ to have something like top my time credit that will allow me to play for some time as Omega and that will be depleted only during time I am online in the game.

For me as casual player this would be great feature to pay some PLEX / money for 2 - 3 days of play time. As it is quite waste of money ( for me mainly ) to pay for 30 days of game time via plex or subscription and not play at least for 10 days bcs of RL things ( family , kids, work , travel )

So hope CCP you will bring this feature in near future.
Sharcy
Shibari Mure
#334 - 2017-03-17 10:09:27 UTC
Everything #332 says.
Blaad Booyashaka
Hotline K162
The Clown Car
#335 - 2017-03-17 10:16:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Blaad Booyashaka
One currency: Great, but make it 100 or 1000 conversion, ain't nobody time for math.

Purging AUR: Terrible idea PR-wise, monocle gate 2.0, etc. Convert it into something.


Like less than 1000 AUR -> free revamp.

  • costs CCP nothing in terms of lost sales
  • won't impact PLEX prices
  • will be useful for inactive accounts too
Borgum
FA-JIN
#336 - 2017-03-17 10:18:49 UTC
You should just get rid of plex and aurum and make ISK the only unit used for transactions. You are creating complexity for no reason because you now realize you made a mistake when you created aurum.

"IMake plex available across chars on an account". . .I sell plex to get isk and then "give" my other chars isk. How easy is that?
Nosum Hseebnrido
Interregnum.
#337 - 2017-03-17 10:28:43 UTC
The only positive change I see in this 'new' plex system is that somone who want to buy a new jacket on the eve store for 385p(plexes), will have to buy from CCP even pack of plexes, and then he would return to the market remaing 115 plexes is his account - it would have impact on price per plex(from time to time) depend on new conntent, making 30 days sub extend cheaper.

Someone suggested that if current plex would transform to 720 pices it would make more sens because 30 days is 720 houers, and that player will be able to inject less then 30 days at once to they sub account. Well if it would be delivered it would have negative impac on what I told.

http://eveboard.com/pilot/Nosum_Hseebnrido

Maka Hung
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#338 - 2017-03-17 10:38:02 UTC
Folks, CCP never confirmed or denied that you will be able to activate less than 500 microplex for game time. Nor is it there in the video of the UI. So I wouldn't get my hopes up yet.

OTOH the number 500 makes it easy to do something like this:

Activate 20 microplex for 1 day of game time! (500 = 25 days)
Activate 250 microplex for 2 weeks of game time! (500 = 28 days)
Activate 500 microplex for a month of game time! (500 = 30 days)
Nosum Hseebnrido
Interregnum.
#339 - 2017-03-17 10:42:12 UTC
Maka Hung wrote:
Folks, CCP never confirmed or denied that you will be able to activate less than 500 microplex for game time. Nor is it there in the video of the UI. So I wouldn't get my hopes up yet.

OTOH the number 500 makes it easy to do something like this:

Activate 20 microplex for 1 day of game time! (500 = 25 days)
Activate 250 microplex for 2 weeks of game time! (500 = 28 days)
Activate 500 microplex for a month of game time! (500 = 30 days)

In the meantime they jumping from one '''clever''' idea to another, so don't be surprise...

http://eveboard.com/pilot/Nosum_Hseebnrido

Kaivarian Coste
Whale Patrol
#340 - 2017-03-17 10:42:40 UTC
Like:

+ the decommissioning of aurum
+ PLEX granularity

Don't like:

- stiffing customers with <1000 aurum