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Schmaeel Medulla - overpowered rats
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Ronimil
Lock'n'Roll
#1 - 2017-03-16 05:15:48 UTC
Literally ridiculous how overpowered these gate-camping rats are.



https://zkillboard.com/kill/60278562/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/60689521/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/60004121/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/59837677/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/59831187/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/59759268/



Insta-lock frigates with long-range scrams, friends with high DPS, and they dont take gate guns in high sec/low sec, and have wicked DPS, tank and unaffected by neuts.

No bounty, no loot. Dumb. Even players who gate camp drop loot, especially insta-lock high dps frigates.
Bjorn Tyrson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2017-03-16 05:34:31 UTC
If only there was some way of knowing what systems have incursions. They should add a feature that tells you where all the active incursions are. Maybe a tab in the journal or something
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#3 - 2017-03-16 05:41:03 UTC
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2017-03-16 06:29:16 UTC
That's why the only place when Incursion makes sense is 0.0 space: people are affected by it and they kill it asap.

Lowseccers ignore it (i might be wrong here).

Highseccers only have kids version of it and playing with plastic guns making noises "bam! you are dead! No you!" Lol

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2017-03-16 08:00:30 UTC
BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

highsec incursions drama ~ best drama Cool
Drake Aihaken
CODE.d
#6 - 2017-03-16 08:30:01 UTC
I'm curious... having never run into these particular NPCs, do they loiter around regular stargates in Incursion systems and attack everything that jumps through - or did the players choose to engage them?
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#7 - 2017-03-16 08:46:35 UTC
Drake Aihaken wrote:
I'm curious... having never run into these particular NPCs, do they loiter around regular stargates in Incursion systems and attack everything that jumps through - or did the players choose to engage them?

Lowsec and nullsec they are often on gates and yes, they'll lock you and kill you. If you are in something fast aligning you are usually ok. But otherwise, you'll stuggle to survive if you are caught without a good fleet to assist.

In highsec, I've flown freighters through incursion systems with no problem.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#8 - 2017-03-16 12:52:10 UTC
Drake Aihaken wrote:
I'm curious... having never run into these particular NPCs, do they loiter around regular stargates in Incursion systems and attack everything that jumps through - or did the players choose to engage them?


I was on a roam once, slightly behind the rest of the fleet, jumped a low sec gate and into them :( was in a shield tanked hurricane setup for speed - got back to gate in low structure. Second time though I was able to warp off the gate before they pointed me.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#9 - 2017-03-16 13:02:27 UTC
Ronimil
Lock'n'Roll
#10 - 2017-03-16 14:40:50 UTC
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:
If only there was some way of knowing what systems have incursions. They should add a feature that tells you where all the active incursions are. Maybe a tab in the journal or something


Yea I knew incursion was in the area, but how does someone know that these rats are SUPER RATS?
Ronimil
Lock'n'Roll
#11 - 2017-03-16 14:54:26 UTC
Drake Aihaken wrote:
I'm curious... having never run into these particular NPCs, do they loiter around regular stargates in Incursion systems and attack everything that jumps through - or did the players choose to engage them?


Nana, I was running missions in my Gila. I jumped the gate in low sec, and the system was empty.

I warp to my encounter, and before I initiate warp I'm suddenly I'm scrammed and webbed. Then literally 5 seconds later, while in shock to realize what's even happened, my entire shield is gone and I'm in armor. Then dead.

I came back to loot my wreck with a navy armageddon and dominix, because there was a battleship as well and the cruiser wrecked my Gila. Someone ran the rats 180k off gate to loot my Gila, but the super rat tackler MWDed back quickly and tackled my battleships. The rat died, but even for 10x T2 light drones (which it kills very quickly), and my pulse lasers (which actually hit it fo 240 damage @ 20km tackle) it still took forever to kill.

The tackler rat will keep range 11km-20km, so unless you have faction web you going to have a tough time.

My Gila: https://zkillboard.com/kill/60818092/

Friggin dumb that nothing gives warning about this, and on top of that the super rats aren't even lucrative.

I'm going to end up not even playing eve until stupid incursion is out of my area.

Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#12 - 2017-03-16 15:12:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Ronimil wrote:
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:
If only there was some way of knowing what systems have incursions. They should add a feature that tells you where all the active incursions are. Maybe a tab in the journal or something


Yea I knew incursion was in the area, but how does someone know that these rats are SUPER RATS?


well you do now dont you?

and thats a cruiser rat not a frigate rat there is no sansha frigate rats on your km

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2017-03-16 15:30:52 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
What can man do against such reckless Sansha rats? Shocked


Fit stabs and a little tank to sustain the initial damage.
Ronimil
Lock'n'Roll
#14 - 2017-03-16 16:30:26 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
What can man do against such reckless Sansha rats? Shocked


lol Big smile only good post so far haha





Quote:
well you do now dont you?

and thats a cruiser rat not a frigate rat there is no sansha frigate rats on your km



Umm yea now I know after a 300 mil loss. And there's the Coreli Agent frigate rat on my kill mail which has 97 bil in kills. https://zkillboard.com/ship/17118/

When I went back, the Schmaeel Medulla frigate tackled my battleships, so there's multiple frigs that scram/web. The rat would switch point rapidly between both my battleships and my drones.

If you don't have a ship that can either blow the tacklers up quickly enough to warp off, or fly a frigate that can warp off before they can lock, you're dead.

These NPC camps are worse than player camps, because at least players take gate guns and they drop good loot typically. They also don't have near the same tank/dps.

Traveling thru low sec = medium risk, medium reward
Traveling thru low sec w/ incursions = extremely high risk, zero reward

If a player had been camping the gate, I would have had 60 seconds cloak to bring my navy geddon on my alt a system away. The rat didn't even give me a chance. On top of that if I kill the player I might get 100 mil in loot.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#15 - 2017-03-16 16:39:16 UTC
Ronimil wrote:
Nana Skalski wrote:
What can man do against such reckless Sansha rats? Shocked


lol Big smile only good post so far haha





Quote:
well you do now dont you?

and thats a cruiser rat not a frigate rat there is no sansha frigate rats on your km



Umm yea now I know after a 300 mil loss. And there's the Coreli Agent frigate rat on my kill mail which has 97 bil in kills. https://zkillboard.com/ship/17118/

When I went back, the Schmaeel Medulla frigate tackled my battleships, so there's multiple frigs that scram/web. The rat would switch point rapidly between both my battleships and my drones.

If you don't have a ship that can either blow the tacklers up quickly enough to warp off, or fly a frigate that can warp off before they can lock, you're dead.

These NPC camps are worse than player camps, because at least players take gate guns and they drop good loot typically. They also don't have near the same tank/dps.

Traveling thru low sec = medium risk, medium reward
Traveling thru low sec w/ incursions = extremely high risk, zero reward

If a player had been camping the gate, I would have had 60 seconds cloak to bring my navy geddon on my alt a system away. The rat didn't even give me a chance. On top of that if I kill the player I might get 100 mil in loot.


player gatecamps = instalocking frigate, dps cruisers and logistics cruisers, player gatecamps dont care about gateguns

you dont get any rewards for traveling

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Ronimil
Lock'n'Roll
#16 - 2017-03-16 16:51:56 UTC
Quote:

player gatecamps = instalocking frigate, dps cruisers and logistics cruisers, player gatecamps dont care about gateguns

you dont get any rewards for traveling



You typically need to travel in order to make ISK.

Do I want to roam around low sec with player gate camps? SURE, here's why: I can have 60 seconds to get my alt or alliance mates there to support them. If I kill them, I'll probably get at least 10-20m/pirate, and possibly 100m+. My alt is -7 and I gate camp all the time.

These NPC gate camps that are just like player gate camps. The difference is they're way more powerful for the number of ships, and they drop no loot. What's the point of even taking the risk of leaving system? If the frigs/cruisers can practically insta-kill a Gila, then I don't want to even know what the battleships can do. Do i need to bring a friggin carrier?

If there had been players camping it, I probably would've survived as I would've had 60 seconds to get my alt there.



All I'm really saying is that since these gate camps are so dangerous, they should drop significant loot. Level 7 sites are a walk in the park in comparison, except you get loot and bounties.
Dark Lord Trump
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#17 - 2017-03-16 18:18:16 UTC
Ronimil wrote:
Bjorn Tyrson wrote:
If only there was some way of knowing what systems have incursions. They should add a feature that tells you where all the active incursions are. Maybe a tab in the journal or something


Yea I knew incursion was in the area, but how does someone know that these rats are SUPER RATS?

Either find out information from someone else, or find out yourself, usually at some personal cost. Such is EvE.

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#18 - 2017-03-17 21:44:45 UTC
Ronimil wrote:
If a player had been camping the gate, I would have had 60 seconds cloak to bring my navy geddon on my alt a system away. The rat didn't even give me a chance.


Wait, what? The NPCs shoot you through gate cloak?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2017-03-17 22:09:42 UTC
Merin Ryskin wrote:
Ronimil wrote:
If a player had been camping the gate, I would have had 60 seconds cloak to bring my navy geddon on my alt a system away. The rat didn't even give me a chance.


Wait, what? The NPCs shoot you through gate cloak?


No they don't.
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2017-03-17 22:15:40 UTC
You know what other rats are OP? Drifters and NPC Miner escort ships. CCPlz nerf!

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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