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[BREAKING NEWS] Chaos Erupts During Caldari-Gallente Summit...

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James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#21 - 2017-03-16 00:17:57 UTC
So, let us clarify, shall we?

Our friends in the State are upset because there is an audio recording between Federal Senators discussing unethical labor practices in the State and apparently in which they also made unconfirmed mentions of an apparent Federal Intelligence Office investigation into missing Kaalakiota employee Jaron Kasaras.

Shocking indeed that the FIO would be dare investigate the States latest blunder, the apparent attempt to weaponize... a 'particular agent'. Goodness knows why the Federal Intelligence Office might be interested in that. But as the current 'crisis' is significant, if contrived by the continued incompetence of the State, so it is perfectly understandable why they would put away their toys and go home in a huff.

Quite a gem of a statement this, "complete circus, designed to detract from the real issue of Federal interference in State affairs." So this issue is so very important but.... don't you dare comment on... well.

Who went home again?
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#22 - 2017-03-16 00:18:51 UTC
Well, it's not based on anything as crass as mere physical appearance, solely, although my selection of my better half did factor that into the equation. The Hall of Records commented mainly on genetic suitability vis a vis genetic predispositions to unfortunate traits and outcomes.

Other than that, Ms Jenneth is largely correct. We demand the right to live according to our own cultural and social mores and we support the rights of others to do likewise. If you aren't a citizen then your opinion on that is simply that - your opinion.

Opinions are like feet. Most people have more than one and most of 'em stink.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
#23 - 2017-03-16 00:58:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Bataav
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Utari Onzo wrote:
Kolodi Ramal wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Yet another example of some Gallente being constitutionally incapable of setting aside their fetish for telling people how to run their lives


More accurate: telling people how not to run other people's lives.
The Federation aren't the ones dictating.


To be fair, they are. No matter which way you slice it, these unnamed Senators are telling Caldari CEOs to do something. Namely not treat citizens in a way that these Senators do not like.

It's a case of telling someone to do x, what x is is irrelevant given the point is that they are telling someone to do x. That is the definition of dictation. To dictate, to instruct. You can meta this how you like, but this is what it ultimately boils down to.


This is really the core issue between Gallente and Caldari.

Gallente: "People should be allowed to live how they wish."

Caldari: "We collectively wish to live as our ancestors did, and reject individualism. That's okay with you, right?"

Gallente: "Uh. Do you let individuals choose to live differently?"

Caldari: "Sure. They just have to go into exile and leave behind everything and everyone they know and love."

Gallente: "What?! No, that's not okay!"

Caldari: "You telling us it's not okay is not okay, OUTSIDER! Mind your own business!"

And so on.

In that particular scenario I can't help but enjoy the irony of Federal officials being outraged at the idea that citizens would be exiled for failing to conform to what the government considers acceptable public opinion.
Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing Yi
#24 - 2017-03-16 01:11:47 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
To summarise, outsider opinions are neither sought nor welcomed.

Insider opinions are not sought or welcomed either, judging by the recent response to Caldari protesters.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#25 - 2017-03-16 01:17:41 UTC
Kolodi Ramal wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
To summarise, outsider opinions are neither sought nor welcomed.

Insider opinions are not sought or welcomed either, judging by the recent response to Caldari protesters.


Eh ...

Depending on how you look at it, Mr. Ramal, the CEP's actions on that can be interpreted as a very Caldari way of saying, "Your concerns are duly noted, thank you. Please return to work."

It's pretty emphatically not a democracy.
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#26 - 2017-03-16 01:43:00 UTC
Well, I have waited for a very long time to do it, but have simply lacked an appropriate segway. I hope Ms. Kim won't mind.
Aria Jenneth wrote:
It's pretty emphatically not a democracy.

And that is why the State, must be destroyed!

Oh go ahead and laugh, goodness knows I did.

TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#27 - 2017-03-16 02:07:35 UTC  |  Edited by: TomHorn
James Syagrius wrote:
Well, I have waited for a very long time to do it, but have simply lacked an appropriate segway. I hope Ms. Kim won't mind.
Aria Jenneth wrote:
It's pretty emphatically not a democracy.

And that is why the State, must be destroyed!

Oh go ahead and laugh, goodness knows I did.



You know James i always thought... err you were funny guy.
TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#28 - 2017-03-16 03:36:33 UTC  |  Edited by: TomHorn
Anyway , since James is telling jokes, though id lighten the mood, a little.

I was in the Heathen's Tavern the other day, talking to some of the locals. In walks in Bobby Dezero , you know the famous Caldari movie star, does those gangster flicks.

Anyway, im talking away , to some of the locals. Bobby says, to me, "You talking me"

I say,"No Bobby , no , im talking to that guy over there."

Bobby says, "You talking to me."

I say, "No Bobby , no, no, im not talking to you."

Bobby says again "You talking to me."

Anyway, Kaboom . Bang, Boom, there Bobby Dezero laid out on the floor , of the Heathen's Tavern. Blood all over. What you going do? Not my fault, i was talking to someone over his left shoulder. Anyway, locals and i , we pick him up dust him off. He buys round drinks for everyone, then we get round drinks in. Good time was had by all. He ends up giving us all some free tickects to go watch him film his next movie.
Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#29 - 2017-03-16 11:18:11 UTC
Bobby Dezero amuses me. Like a clown.

He plays a good part, but he's no Istvaan Shogaatsu.

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113

TomHorn
Horn Brothers Holdings Inc.
#30 - 2017-03-16 14:45:47 UTC
Graelyn wrote:
Bobby Dezero amuses me. Like a clown.

He plays a good part, but he's no Istvaan Shogaatsu.


Genius Graelyn , absolute genius !

Istvaan is good , like Istvaan to.
Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#31 - 2017-03-16 15:43:35 UTC
Kolodi Ramal wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
To summarise, outsider opinions are neither sought nor welcomed.

Insider opinions are not sought or welcomed either, judging by the recent response to Caldari protesters.

It makes more sense when one considers the prevalence of hierarchy among our culture. It's not only rude to make a spectacle, but it's also the least efficient way to get anything done. For an analogy, consider the steps one takes to contact a senator.

Is it acceptable to stand on his property hollering? Or is the standing procedure more productive?

Admittedly, it looks draconian from an outside perspective. The reality is, in the end, it's little more than a reminder of the way things are done.

We aren't the Federation. We tried that, and it didn't work for us as a whole. Those that want to be there, are, and will be. The rest of us will do things our own way.

I'm sure that's not at all difficult to understand for an educated man, such as I've known you to be.

Others are just taking their cheap shots to be heard, inevitably to be returned in time with the next inescapable blunder of leadership.

I, personally, can't help but shake my head at the entirety of it.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Hetu Hegirin
Doomheim
#32 - 2017-03-16 16:01:52 UTC
Saya Ishikari wrote:
Kolodi Ramal wrote:
Insider opinions are not sought or welcomed either, judging by the recent response to Caldari protesters.

It makes more sense when one considers the prevalence of hierarchy among our culture. It's not only rude to make a spectacle, but it's also the least efficient way to get anything done.

If I may hazard a guess, perhaps this comes as a result of the compulsory military service in the State? Corporate chain of command couldn't be too different, I suspect.
Persephone Alleile
Tartarus Covert Operations
#33 - 2017-03-16 16:07:13 UTC
Well the thing is from the Gallente perspective the ability to protest is a human right. Standing on a senator's lawn and hollering is not unheard of and has led to change in some cases (if only to protect the public image of the senator in question). This is probably why most senators live in high security compounds.

As we know the Gallente consider themselves the paragons of moral virtue and look down on those who don't agree with their social mores. That's nothing new. What's new is recording governmental officials expressing this sort of attitude and leaking the recordings to sabotage an inter-governmental conference.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#34 - 2017-03-16 16:08:18 UTC
Kolodi Ramal wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
To summarise, outsider opinions are neither sought nor welcomed.

Insider opinions are not sought or welcomed either, judging by the recent response to Caldari protesters.


Insider opinions are welcomed at the correct juncture, in the fullness of time and at the appropriate time and place.

It should be noted however, that there is no implied permission to disrupt the safe and efficient business of a government or business location for the purposes of getting together to be loud about your opinion. Nor is time off from work provided to allow said protest to occur, neither is legislation regarding public order or public safety suspended on the grounds of, like, a totally worthwhile cause, dude.

In the State, Civil Disobedience is still Disobedience. Non-Compliance with law is not tolerated. Compliance will be enforced.

That is all.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#35 - 2017-03-16 16:46:06 UTC
Hetu Hegirin wrote:
Saya Ishikari wrote:
Kolodi Ramal wrote:
Insider opinions are not sought or welcomed either, judging by the recent response to Caldari protesters.

It makes more sense when one considers the prevalence of hierarchy among our culture. It's not only rude to make a spectacle, but it's also the least efficient way to get anything done.

If I may hazard a guess, perhaps this comes as a result of the compulsory military service in the State? Corporate chain of command couldn't be too different, I suspect.

It certainly is a large part of it, yes. Even my batch, physically frail though we were, had undergone a modified basic training program.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#36 - 2017-03-16 16:53:11 UTC
Persephone Alleile wrote:
Well the thing is from the Gallente perspective the ability to protest is a human right. Standing on a senator's lawn and hollering is not unheard of and has led to change in some cases (if only to protect the public image of the senator in question). This is probably why most senators live in high security compounds.

As we know the Gallente consider themselves the paragons of moral virtue and look down on those who don't agree with their social mores. That's nothing new. What's new is recording governmental officials expressing this sort of attitude and leaking the recordings to sabotage an inter-governmental conference.

If it's his property, he could have them removed legally, regardless. Laws governing the right to protest exist, and to the best of my knowledge, a protest does not suspend Federal laws governing the rights of those on the other side of the line. The Federation certainly functions in a more chaotic way than many of us are used to, but basic laws still exist to protect those very liberties. That being my reference in the prior reply, for clarity. That said, I agree completely with the rest of your statement.

"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#37 - 2017-03-16 17:33:07 UTC
For our Gallente associates, it should be added that there is a vote, of sorts. Shareholders have a say in the governance of their corporation. While this doesn't involve the legislative drift and rapidly-veering management of the Federation, it does ensure that a corporation's leadership conforms with the general wishes of the shareholding body.

Shareholders don't necessarily get to veto or weigh in on day-to-day operations, but management is usually cognizant of shareholders' interests, and an overall course for a corporation will be charted in accordance to it.

For our more open-minded and less culturally imperialistic Gallente associates, perhaps that will placate your need for decentralized authority?

Mind, one could conceive of the recent protests as a sort of statement that shareholders are more concerned about the successful resolution of the Kyonoke crisis than normal political grandstanding, and slow realization of that by the executives, but it still holds that it is also a demonstration of unmeritorious outspokenness and willingness to disrupt productive life.

Whatever the case, the situation's past.

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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#38 - 2017-03-16 19:42:12 UTC
The way I see it, a population is free to govern itself any way it sees fit. If ,or when, the population grows tired, disillusioned, or angry enough with their government, it will be replaced with or without the governing body's approval. It's natural evolution. That being said, the longer a government can keep it's citizens happy, the longer it lives. It behooves a government to pay attention and respond with tact and a velvet glove when the citizenship complaints loudly.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#39 - 2017-03-16 20:21:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Korsavius
Bataav wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Utari Onzo wrote:
Kolodi Ramal wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Yet another example of some Gallente being constitutionally incapable of setting aside their fetish for telling people how to run their lives


More accurate: telling people how not to run other people's lives.
The Federation aren't the ones dictating.


To be fair, they are. No matter which way you slice it, these unnamed Senators are telling Caldari CEOs to do something. Namely not treat citizens in a way that these Senators do not like.

It's a case of telling someone to do x, what x is is irrelevant given the point is that they are telling someone to do x. That is the definition of dictation. To dictate, to instruct. You can meta this how you like, but this is what it ultimately boils down to.


This is really the core issue between Gallente and Caldari.

Gallente: "People should be allowed to live how they wish."

Caldari: "We collectively wish to live as our ancestors did, and reject individualism. That's okay with you, right?"

Gallente: "Uh. Do you let individuals choose to live differently?"

Caldari: "Sure. They just have to go into exile and leave behind everything and everyone they know and love."

Gallente: "What?! No, that's not okay!"

Caldari: "You telling us it's not okay is not okay, OUTSIDER! Mind your own business!"

And so on.

In that particular scenario I can't help but enjoy the irony of Federal officials being outraged at the idea that citizens would be exiled for failing to conform to what the government considers acceptable public opinion.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who found this ironic.

In other news, there isn't anything I could contribute to the discussion at hand that my fellow citizens haven't already stated.

Going back to the topic of the thread, while it is somewhat understanding that certain megacorporate executives would simply walk out of the meeting because of what transpired, I still disagree with their actions. Let the insignificant Federal senators run their mouths on topics they have no authority in, I say. We should have the willpower and strength to tread through their verbal excrement, just long enough to handle this crisis effectively.

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Utari Onzo
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#40 - 2017-03-16 20:39:59 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
The way I see it, a population is free to govern itself any way it sees fit. If ,or when, the population grows tired, disillusioned, or angry enough with their government, it will be replaced with or without the governing body's approval. It's natural evolution. That being said, the longer a government can keep it's citizens happy, the longer it lives. It behooves a government to pay attention and respond with tact and a velvet glove when the citizenship complaints loudly.


The last time something like this happened in the State you got Provists running the show. Be careful what you wish for.

"Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"

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