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Can't get Couriers to deliver to Citadels.

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Ageanal Olerie
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2017-03-15 05:40:08 UTC

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Dear CCP,

As you may know couriers are very leery about delivering to Citadels (just as they have been to player controlled stations). As they should be, because you have allowed this sort of contract scamming to rule over those with legitimate game-play needs. The scammer merely need make a contract with worthless items, an enticing reward, and a high collateral and then restrict you from docking with the station / citadel. The contract fails, they get millions in collateral.

A simple solution to this problem is as follows.

If, when the courier attempts to dock with the destination station / citadel and is unable to due to some restriction, a flag is set which then allows the courier to jettison the cargo into space in a secure container tagged for the recipient in the destination system. This would count as a completed delivery. The recipient will then be notified that their items have been delivered in this fashion due to the courier being locked out of the station, with a bookmark to the container's location in the e-mail.

Meanwhile their package will be subject to being destroyed by anyone who comes across it. A valuable lesson learned if it was a legitimate delivery and the recipient failed to make their station / citadel open to docking.


Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#2 - 2017-03-15 07:12:01 UTC
Or give contract holders docking rights so long as they have the package.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2017-03-15 07:16:24 UTC
...no, you cannot have a 'steal the cargo' button that completely negates the collateral.
Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
#4 - 2017-03-15 07:37:36 UTC
Considering that most mechanics are made to benefit the little Johnny douches of the world while keeping any true risk or punishment away from them. it's not going to happen, wrong game.
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#5 - 2017-03-15 08:37:31 UTC
There has been discussion about allowing couriers to tether and deliver their contracts. Not sure what the status is on this you might want to ask someone on the CSM.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#6 - 2017-03-15 14:09:19 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
...no, you cannot have a 'steal the cargo' button that completely negates the collateral.

How are they going to steal items located in a secure container that automatically anchors in space and locks once ejected?


Ageanal Olerie
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2017-03-15 16:06:37 UTC
Mike Voidstar wrote:
Or give contract holders docking rights so long as they have the package.



Yeah but then you could camp in someone's station and they can't boot you.

Also I like the idea that your package (assuming it's legitimate) is vulnerable because you failed to provide docking rights to the courier.

Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2017-03-15 18:37:31 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
...no, you cannot have a 'steal the cargo' button that completely negates the collateral.

How are they going to steal items located in a secure container that automatically anchors in space and locks once ejected?




With their guns, one assumes. Possibly with a wardec included somewhere along the line.
Ajem Hinken
WarFear Gaming
#9 - 2017-03-15 19:10:04 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Donnachadh wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
...no, you cannot have a 'steal the cargo' button that completely negates the collateral.

How are they going to steal items located in a secure container that automatically anchors in space and locks once ejected?




With their guns, one assumes. Possibly with a wardec included somewhere along the line.

Shouldn't have locked the mailman out then. :P

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Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#10 - 2017-03-15 19:24:08 UTC
Since it does sorta make legit business hard to get off the ground, some sort of remedy should be put into place. I prefer the docking rights option as it is less exploitable by the delivery guy, you make the delivery time 1 day and he cant sit there longer than that.

You risk very little from having a freighter parked in your citadel for one day.

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.

Old Pervert
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2017-03-15 20:42:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Old Pervert
I'd rather see the delivery hangers get leveraged, so to speak.

Just like transferring stuff between a POCO and your cargo... you can access the delivery hanger, drop stuff in there, and it automatically gives ownership of the stuff to the contract issuer. Just right-click on the citadel, access delivery hanger, drop it in, and gtfo.

On the issue of tethering, I would say that you should be granted tether rights for so long as you have a contract. Once it is completed, the tether will simply not re-establish, but will be unbroken until you the player breaks the tether.
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
#12 - 2017-03-15 20:45:20 UTC
Haven't CCP already said they are going to change it so you don't need to dock to deliver a courier package?
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#13 - 2017-03-16 13:31:41 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Donnachadh wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
...no, you cannot have a 'steal the cargo' button that completely negates the collateral.

How are they going to steal items located in a secure container that automatically anchors in space and locks once ejected?




With their guns, one assumes. Possibly with a wardec included somewhere along the line.

How do you steal something out of a locked secure container using guns?
Chance for destruction of the contents on destruction of the container and all.
Ajem Hinken
WarFear Gaming
#14 - 2017-03-17 02:08:10 UTC
I'd like something a little more amusing - cargo launchers. Literally a gun that shoots cargo at something, potentially destroying the inner contents of that target's cargo hold. And for courier contracts where the receiver has locked you out? Just shoot it through their window - it's not like you're gonna pay the repair bill anyway.

Either that or the tether thingy. But I know I'd like to inventory bomb random ppl with my industrial... would make those missionrunners so mad when I replaced their nice ammo with scrap.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6875494#post6875494 - Ship mounted explosives. Because explosions and Jita chaos.

Luc Chastot
#15 - 2017-03-17 07:11:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Luc Chastot
1. No access to destination? Can't accept contract.
2. Want to deny access after contract was accepted? Sorry, can't do.

Done.

Edit: even better, considering this is EVE:

1. Give warning to player he might not have access to the destination.
2. Change access and contract is voided, but courier keeps the goods.

Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot.

Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
#16 - 2017-03-17 10:14:47 UTC
I fail to see the problem here. You are aware that docking rights may be restricted at player-owned stations/structures, you have only yourself to blame if you accept a courier contract from a complete stranger without bothering to verify that you can deliver it. Rather than begging for a way to fail to make the delivery and still get paid you should learn to control your greed and not take contracts that are too good to be true.
Elenahina
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#17 - 2017-03-17 17:39:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Elenahina
Merin Ryskin wrote:
I fail to see the problem here. You are aware that docking rights may be restricted at player-owned stations/structures, you have only yourself to blame if you accept a courier contract from a complete stranger without bothering to verify that you can deliver it. Rather than begging for a way to fail to make the delivery and still get paid you should learn to control your greed and not take contracts that are too good to be true.


That's not the issue.
The issue is that I can do all the due diligence in the world, I can validate that I can dock there. I can even fly there and physically dock before I accept the contract, but once I accept it they can lock me out and I'm stuck.

That's why no one wants to deliver to Citadels. Because doing your homework ahead of time doesn't matter.

Edit to add: I'm not saying that's necessarily a problem. Player Owner Outposts in null have always worked that way, so no one really bothered trying. Citadels, however, are far more prolific, and can be put up anywhere which has, I think, made the issue more evident to more people, thus leading to the upsurge in CCPls threads.

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