Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Apparently everything in EVE requires a counter, as is the standard argument against cloaking.



Log off traps are unreliable at best against someone who is smart (IOW, doesn't warp right back to their carebear site as soon as the threat leaves local), your chances of logging back in at the right time are tiny at best. Flooding local with neutrals is exactly what AFK cloaking is about, but you want to get rid of that for some reason. And awoxing can work, but only if you have a specific target in mind and are willing to invest considerable time (and likely financial assets, to buy a new character/account) to infiltrate their corp for a one-time kill and aren't just hunting targets in general.

That would be his choice. He could watch for histiles, wait till he sees the probes, and ply warp when needed. You know... Like active, non-scripted people do.

Again, that is not meaningful gameplay depth. There is no decision-making happening, you simply wait until the probes are nearby and then warp to the next location. Repeat indefinitely with zero chance of failure, until the prober gets bored and goes home. There is no difference in end result between the current system and the proposed one, it just involves more players pressing more buttons. Making the UI more complicated is not a virtue.

And, as pointed out many times already, covert ops ships pay a high price for the ability to be sneaky. If their "hide in a safespot" ability is no better than the standard "be aligned and warp whenever probes are out" then why not just take a HAC/combat recon/interceptor/whatever?

I gave an example of a different system.

But e en without more to it, at the very least a dedicated anti cloak prober would have to be present and active, making the cloak safer than other ships without one by narrowing who could hunt for it.

Uh, what? A non-cloaking ship in a safespot is 100% safe unless a dedicated prober is hunting for them. In both cases the threat is narrowed to "active people with probes out", since every dedicated prober is going to have both combat probes and anti-cloak probes. Your proposed system nerfs cloaks into uselessness.

That is Mike for you, he wants to nerf cloaks period...all uses of cloaks and give up nothing in return. Mike quite clearly wants to be able to rat in NS with increased safety.

This is only the best move against bad players. Against good players going AFK accomplishes nothing, and you'll need to find a different way of killing them (catch them on gates, etc).



This is only the best move if you're a garbage-tier alliance that deserves to be ganked until you ragequit EVE. If you're anyone else the best move is to use the combat fleet that you already have operating at any time PvE operations are happening and protect your PvE ships. There's no need to not play in the area because the cloaked ship is no more of a threat than the NPC frigate sitting next to the gate.

Notice the common concept here? AFK cloaking is a mechanic that good players can easily negate, and bad players get punished by. That's the kind of thing that EVE is supposed to be about, and it sure seems to me like everything is working as intended.

And here we see Mike asking for more safety in NS.

Where did I ask for more safety?

I demonstrated where even the basic premise does not make cloaks useless. That cloak could be used for anything at all, but whoever it's enemy is should have a chance to interfere with it.

Teckos, you used to argue with logic. You should go back to that.

You should probably go read more. There was no rng to finding cloaks in my proposal. I can see why you don't like it, as it would require the cloaked pilot to experience the potential of nonconsensual confrontation.