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Thomas Lot
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2017-03-10 17:06:21 UTC
Grand Moff Tarkin1 wrote:
Hi, so i'm wondering if you guys agree CCP should make the mining barge the Procurer an alpha ship but raise the price A LOT!
I like the Venture...but we need just ONE MORE ORE ship that is an Alpha ship. I hope all you pilots out there can agree with me (the ones whom love mining)



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Djsaeu
Doomheim
#22 - 2017-03-10 21:05:46 UTC
Go old school, before the Venture and barges, everyone used the Scythe, It makes a pretty good mining ship. You should give it a try.
Cade Windstalker
#23 - 2017-03-10 22:15:53 UTC
Elenahina wrote:
Honestly, I think it's really some of both. Mining in Ventures may not be as quick, but if you can launch ten of them at a time, you're still going to turn a lot of rocks into gravel.


Except there's no easy way to actually run 10 alphas on the same computer. You can do VMs, if you're really smart and careful, but a computer that can run 20 Eve Clients will run a quarter or less of that in VM'd Eve clients, and that's really not worth it.

According to the first graph on the latest MER Ore value mined is up almost 1 Trillion ISK per day since the launch of both the new Rorqual and Alpha Clones. Considering what a Venture mines in comparison to a Hulk belts would literally have to be swarmed with Ventures for Alphas to be making up any appreciable fraction of that influx.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2017-03-11 04:53:22 UTC
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
I still say the only thing we need is active moon mining with ventures and special new goo lasers. Where warping to 0 to a moon actually lands you near the surface of the moon to actively mine it from there as you float a few kms above the surface moving your ship around with the WASD keys and manually point your lasers at the surface hot spots while doing geological scans of the surrounding areas with an interface similar to dscan and looks like a PI overlay on the surface. The goo lasers nullify the ventures +2 warp stabs though so be careful. Then there are 5 different scan areas for gases, and the 4 R-type goos as there are 5 different laser crystals. You dont know which is there until you mine it, just that there are some of that type nearby. So you might get a few cobalt, a scandium and a bunch of tungsten but no titanium, then a fair but of tungsten, one titanium, and nothing else until the hot spot is either depleted entirely or you move on to better pastures and therefore isk/hr.

But all moons must NOT have the same goo types as the standard goo mining available, would make it to easy.

Gotta say I kinda like this idea.

CCP, make it so.



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Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2017-03-11 11:44:38 UTC
Elenahina wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
I don't know...

One the one hand, I like that with the influx of Alpha miners mineral prices have dropped significantly and would drop even further if the OP had his way.

One the other hand, I don't get to sell my ships for as much.

But from CCP's perspective, it reduces the incentive for miners to upgrade to Omega, which defeats the purpose of Alphas altogether. So while it probably wouldn't affect my personal play style, it would not be good for the game.

Mr Epeen Cool


It's not the alpha miners that have dropped prices... it's the massive influx of Rorquals Lol


Honestly, I think it's really some of both. Mining in Ventures may not be as quick, but if you can launch ten of them at a time, you're still going to turn a lot of rocks into gravel.


Having venture mined. No. It's really not a mix. Venture is pretty much trash. With max skills you make 500-600k in 12-13minutes or so for a full 5k load. It's nothing special.
Kathern Aurilen
#26 - 2017-03-12 22:55:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Kathern Aurilen
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:
I still say the only thing we need is active moon mining with ventures and special new goo lasers. Where warping to 0 to a moon actually lands you near the surface of the moon to actively mine it from there as you float a few kms above the surface moving your ship around with the WASD keys and manually point your lasers at the surface hot spots while doing geological scans of the surrounding areas with an interface similar to dscan and looks like a PI overlay on the surface. The goo lasers nullify the ventures +2 warp stabs though so be careful. Then there are 5 different scan areas for gases, and the 4 R-type goos as there are 5 different laser crystals. You dont know which is there until you mine it, just that there are some of that type nearby. So you might get a few cobalt, a scandium and a bunch of tungsten but no titanium, then a fair but of tungsten, one titanium, and nothing else until the hot spot is either depleted entirely or you move on to better pastures and therefore isk/hr.

But all moons must NOT have the same goo types as the standard goo mining available, would make it to easy.
I like it +1. I wondered a while back why a deep core mining laser couldn't do moon mining or pi mining.

I would say that p0 stuff could be abstained like that if your planet is needing something else to make p3 or p4. One load of a venture is half a p1 so it's not really worth it unless you need a little something extra.

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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#27 - 2017-03-13 08:38:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Mephiztopheleze
Do Little wrote:
Focus on an ore like PlagioclaseC320 Fullerite Gas that contains a decent amount of Mexallon and you can make a livingmind blowing fortune Venture mining. Buy orders for compressed plagioclase are 6,866.59 ISKC320 are at ISK45,000 in Jita.


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000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
#28 - 2017-03-13 19:31:32 UTC
Yes please? Can we have all the benefits from Omega's for Alpha's? So i can cancel my subscription? Lol
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2017-03-14 00:29:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Elyia Suze Nagala
I agree that barges shouldn't be available to Alphas, but perhaps something akin to a mining "destroyer"?

I don't know how it would fit in between barges and frigates, but it's the only thing I can cone up with.
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#30 - 2017-03-14 03:11:36 UTC
By Grabthar's Hammer, no! Ugh

If you want more from this game (and there is a lot more to be had) the solution is easy: subscribe

Alpha clones are essentially an unlimited trial so people can check out EvE without time pressure and decide if they want to subscribe to the game.

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AirHogs
Hogs Collective
#31 - 2017-03-14 07:57:58 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
It should definitely be the Covertor

and whenever an alpha undock his covetor he'll be flagged as suspect. The timer will keep refreshing every second he's still in covetor and last for 15 minutes after he dock up or eject.
Kathern Aurilen
#32 - 2017-03-14 14:01:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Kathern Aurilen
I'm an alpha and I'm making chedda just fine. All I can use just mining and scanning sites in my home system

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ISD Alliance
#33 - 2017-03-14 14:20:00 UTC
Moved to Player Feature and Ideas.

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Matthias Ancaladron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2017-03-14 15:12:32 UTC
Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:
I agree that barges shouldn't be available to Alphas, but perhaps something akin to a mining "destroyer"?

I don't know how it would fit in between barges and frigates, but it's the only thing I can cone up with.


That would be cool.
10-15k ore hold

My only stipulation is

holy **** ccp STOP MAKING THEM YELLOW.
yellow is the worst color. And even with skins you cant get rid of the nasty yellow trim on ore ships. It makes ore ships completely unusable.
Ajem Hinken
WarFear Gaming
#35 - 2017-03-14 16:16:14 UTC
Matthias Ancaladron wrote:
Elenahina wrote:
Cade Windstalker wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
I don't know...

One the one hand, I like that with the influx of Alpha miners mineral prices have dropped significantly and would drop even further if the OP had his way.

One the other hand, I don't get to sell my ships for as much.

But from CCP's perspective, it reduces the incentive for miners to upgrade to Omega, which defeats the purpose of Alphas altogether. So while it probably wouldn't affect my personal play style, it would not be good for the game.

Mr Epeen Cool


It's not the alpha miners that have dropped prices... it's the massive influx of Rorquals Lol


Honestly, I think it's really some of both. Mining in Ventures may not be as quick, but if you can launch ten of them at a time, you're still going to turn a lot of rocks into gravel.


Having venture mined. No. It's really not a mix. Venture is pretty much trash. With max skills you make 500-600k in 12-13minutes or so for a full 5k load. It's nothing special.

You're wrong. I'm not even maxed, in a venture, with T2 drills, and I make 700k a trip, and about one trip per ten minutes.

The venture is awesome, especially when twenty or thirty minutes in it pays for itself and then some.

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Ajem Hinken
WarFear Gaming
#36 - 2017-03-14 16:17:52 UTC
Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:
I agree that barges shouldn't be available to Alphas, but perhaps something akin to a mining "destroyer"?

I don't know how it would fit in between barges and frigates, but it's the only thing I can cone up with.

You can do that with jetcanning if you want - you can fit two times the drills on a destroyer than you can in a Venture, at the cost of a decent ore hold.

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Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2017-03-14 18:01:50 UTC
Ajem Hinken wrote:
Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:
I agree that barges shouldn't be available to Alphas, but perhaps something akin to a mining "destroyer"?

I don't know how it would fit in between barges and frigates, but it's the only thing I can cone up with.

You can do that with jetcanning if you want - you can fit two times the drills on a destroyer than you can in a Venture, at the cost of a decent ore hold.


Go to a 0.7 system or lower, two things:

- ORE is richer, more variety and,
- You can anchor secured cargo cans.

I've seen a lot of people set up rings of cans around a belt that lets them mine and dump the ore into a Giant Sec. Cargo can. Then they come back later in a industrial and haul it off.

In the days before Orcas this was the way to go for a solo miner with out mining barge skills.
Kathern Aurilen
#38 - 2017-03-14 20:22:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Kathern Aurilen
I'm an alpha, I upgrade periodically as I have time to play and really lean hard on the game.

As a alpha, I make a good bit of ISK mining and scanning sites... In my scan venture, scan while I mine. When I pick up something I zoom and get the aproprate ship needed. Sometimes my speed salvager Atron, or my salvage venture, or algos, or even my vexor. I have plenty of other ships, but that's the main ones I love.

I've made almost 700 mill ISK and 300,000 m3 of ore waiting to be refined for me by my corp in 2 months since being an alpha playing maybe a hour a day. That's not a whole lot but I make due. Yes I miss my Mack and mining barges, I would be well over 2.5 mill in ore with it big difference, but not insurmountable. I've been thing about jumping over to FW and do a little bit of that to get in the store.

But what am I making all this money for I don't even really plan on going battleship or higher. The only reason I really need to sub for is my barges back and A lot of skills to 5 in industry and scanning and a lot of ship command and weapons and a core skills.

Eve is very open to all alphas and no limit on how much they can make, it just takes longer and no passive income like pi and farming(skills blocked). I would be very grateful if I had a mining barge... But there is such thing as to much for nothing. There is plenty of money to be made, more than an alpha can spend.

What I really want is some of the pirate frigs and cruisers and sister ships, if it wasn't for them I wouldn't plan on really subbing at all.

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Kathern Aurilen
#39 - 2017-03-14 21:13:37 UTC
Elenahina wrote:
Honestly, I think it's really some of both. Mining in Ventures may not be as quick, but if you can launch ten of them at a time, you're still going to turn a lot of rocks into gravel.
alphas can't mulitibox thank god. I'm sure I would have 4or5 out there just so I don't feel lonely lol

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Kathern Aurilen
#40 - 2017-03-14 21:17:28 UTC
Ijon-Tichy wrote:

If CCP would see the need to do more for mining Alphas (personaly I don't see it) the Venture is a great little ship) they would probably do something to make players work togther, like bringing back the Primae as a (limited?) "free for all" mining booster ship.

Just thinking, you could use the Gnosis for that, right? it get's a 25% bonus to links, that should work with mining links too. Anyone seen a Gnosis boosted fleet of Ventures out there? And it can fleet a set of Mining Drones too.
plus there would be a gank security. Proper mining fleet with proper escort.

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