Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Cheaper minerals and ships is not more content. Content is when players interact, either cooperatively or non-cooperatively. Both are good, IMO.



Oh yes there were. Very early on there was M0O (or was it MO0). They set up camp and would destroy any ship coming through. Players would rage about them on the forums.



Ganking demonstrates the core principle of EVE: if I am willing to accept the consequences of shooting you I can shoot you anywhere in game.

Further, destruction is important to the EVE economy and alot of destruction happens in HS and it should remain that way.



Nope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A92Ge2S8M1Y



People getting suicide ganked in HS are doing so because they are imprudent. They can be imprudent due to ignorance, stupidity, laziness, and combinations of those and probably some more. It is not a good thing.

And no, preparation can save you. A scout can save you. Not overloading your freighter can save you. Putting a tank on your freighter can save you. Having a scout, not overloading your freighter and putting a tank on it can save you times 3. Like I said, if you anti-tank your freigher, put 6 billion worth of cargo in it, and auto-pillock through Uedama...those are choices the player made. Choices that made him a significant target. Not making those choices makes you much less of a target.

The obvious problem is that miners would receive less ISK for their products. If you're a smart miner who knows how to avoid getting suicide ganked you should encourage suicide ganking. It keeps prices higher, removes your competition, and even drives demand for more minerals to build new ganking ships.



Suicide ganking (or whatever other method of killing in highsec fit the mechanics) has been part of the game since the beginning. IIRC the only time it wasn't was when it was possible to tank CONCORD, so you didn't even need to lose your ship to gank someone.



It's essential to the premise of EVE, that it's a cold dark universe where survival of the fittest is the primary rule. Suicide ganking must exist because highsec can not be 100% safe space. A fundamental design principle of EVE is that it is possible to kill you no matter where you are, the only question is how hard it will be to do it. Take away suicide ganking and you break that principle, making highsec 100% safe.



No it doesn't.

First of all, ganking/scamming/etc in the newbie starter systems is a bannable offense. If you see someone preying on new players before they have a chance to experience anything you should report it.

Second, ganking only happens if you make yourself a profitable target. Nobody is ganking a week-old character in a T1 frigate fitted with T1 mods. If you've accumulated enough wealth that suicide ganking is a relevant threat then you've had experiences. And by that point in your EVE career you should be aware of the risks and able to take the necessary precautions to avoid getting suicide ganked.



No, as you very nicely demonstrate, they are dumb and/or lazy. It's very easy to avoid getting ganked, if you choose to protect yourself. If you make yourself a target you die, and that's how it should be.

It's already easy to mine, and in as close to complete safety as you can get without CCP locking people to green in hisec, it's called paying attention to your environment using all the tools that are at your disposal.

When was this? Ganking has been in Eve since beta.

There most certainly is risk involved in suicide ganking, and there are repercussions too. If you feel that the risk and repercussions aren't enough then it is up to you to make them harsher, you already have the tools to do this.

I'm pretty sure that doing anything AFK in a PvP game is considered dumb and lazy, putting eleventy billion isk in an unescorted freighter in a full loot PvP game is also considered dumb, especially if the pilot autopillocks it into a chokepoint or hub.

Risk mitigation isn't risk elimination, 99.5% of the time the fact that I'm at the keyboard, not packed with shinies, have a respectable tank, know who to look for etc means that someone else gets ganked; nothing is guaranteed but you can tilt the odds considerably in your favour by not being foolish with your stuff.

Saying ganking on new players is wrong would probably be right. But im not a new player and most people getting ganked are not new players. New players are generallky not an attractive target. Not being new is somehow being the defacto standard which makes it the defence to gank ok. I don't buy it.

The only people finding ganking fun is the gankers. This is really a bad model.

As far as its necessity to teach players how cold and dark eve is, is just another ploy to justify some really bad etiquette for your ganking actions. Almost every thing about eve can be cold and dark solitary and deadly with risks of getting taken for your things and conquered around every corner. At least in their aspects its not so dam cheaty.

Sitting on a gate knowing you will lose your ship with out consequences waiting for haulers to show up is just low and really is just sad gameplay. I doubt most gankers dont know about setting up pos's, mining moons, real small gang warfare (AGAINST OTHER SMALL GANGS). If you want to be a pain in the butt and cause tears you should do it in a more cooperative way with your enemy.

shooting fish in a barrel and telling them they shouldn't be fish is not an argument. If people stopped carrying 2b 5b and 50b in a freighter gankers will just start ganking you when you have 500m in your cargo or some other number. Don't try to say that when everyone starts to avoid ganking that gankers will somehow win something and stop ganking. The argument wont go away. Ganking on gates in highsec is wrong and needs to stop. You will never stop seeing people complaining about this.

Typing ganking and gankers so many times is starting to be very comedic...

Saying people that come and go to the game are not worth ccp's or your time is ridiculous. I have been playing forever. I have solid years of gameplay under my belt and says that any players that have only started with in the last few years have no voice over yours. I is one of the most childish things out of a gankers mouth yet. (though its a close race let me tell you)

You talk of etiquette yet you will lie to push your agenda?

Eve allows you to attack other players in dishonourable ways. Thats WHY we play, the freedom to make that choice. And try to remember, im not a ganker.

Not fun getting ganked?
It's about as fun as being evicted from your home in a wh or null.
About as fun as being hot dropped by supers.
About as fun as losing your stuff to a scam or theft.


That's the game. That's why eve is real. Because it doesn't hold your hand. Without them this would be a very hollow place to be. I'd rather be ganked than lose yet more content to people who want to play this game afk and with safeties on.

I have no problem with new players or those who take breaks. I have problems with people who refuse to realise that eve is a pvp sandbox and want to turn it into wow in space. They think all mmos should be the same, theme parks and rainbows. But if you look at these players they shortly quit if not quit frequently when they play eve. Eve is not for them. It's like playing Cod and saying it should have more dinosaurs. You start to wonder what the **** are they doing here in the first place.

Ganking is not bad etiquette. Eve is not the game where you have to be 'cooperative' with your enemies. That's why we love it.

Some of the most fun I have had in game has been when I have been on the losing side of a war. Our sniper HAC roams into Goon space back when TEST and Goons were pushing into Fountain? Awesome. Goons always brought the fight. When Goons were losing Deklein I could log in and get in fleets, get fights, killmails, etc. Yes we were losing, but I was having fun.

And yes, you can have fun trying to avoid the gankers. There are a variety of ways to do it, and it adds excitement to the game. Without ganking industry would be as boring as mining in a well tanked skiff.

CONCORD can protect you from most things - your own idiocy is not one of those things.

CONCORD ain't your mother. Deal with it.

Also, why do you even fly big ships? Big ships = big losses - so if you can do a job just as well in a smaller ship you should.

Further correction.

They do protect one thing, and one thing only, as revealed long ago in the following post.

Yeah. I'd like to see something that just pushes lighter ships away, for freighter use. Then freighters can just say no to bumpers, but bumpers can't use the module for bumping without making a ship that weighs more than a small moon.