EVE General Discussion

I will give them props for coming up with their own special brand of kool-aid and then consuming it en masse. They were more beneficial to EVE when they were going after bots and AFK players, however.

Way i see it, if you live in one of about 5 systems somewhere in the middle of hisec, and you don't know how to fit a DCU you should probably consider obeying the CODE. For everyone else in EvE just move along, this thread is about some hisec guys who shoot at each other even though it's naughty.. I've got chills...

Why do you think they don't anymore?

But more importantly, isn't going after the lowest of the low hanging fruit, the laziest of lazy, and the most egregiously bad play still important? I mean, I think every competent Eve player recognizes how much safety CCP has given highsec players, and how little you have to do to essentially be perfectly safe. If players insist on falling below that bar, isn't it still important to have player-enforced consequences find them on occasion and remind them this is a competitive MMO? I am sure their competitors who do take the time and spend the effort to stay safe would think so.

Despite what you may think or CCP implies, highsec is still rife with bots mining in many systems, and AFK hauling is still a plague given how little risk there is to freighters and DSTs who keep their cargos within non-profitable to gank limits. The New Order still is the only opposition to these players. While Miniluv does a great public service enforcing consequences on the greedy, it is only the New Order of Highsec that at all allows Eve Online to pay lip service to the idea that you are at real risk everywhere.

I think that is still very beneficial to the game.

Hit me with your best shot fam
Let's see who doesn't show up

Odds are you're just going to find an excuse or tell me to go to some lowsec or nullsec hahahahah

I think that CODE tagline says it all:
"Tear Gatherer... Has No Honor... Salt Harvester."

Why say more when CODE's own mantra reinforces this? It's ironic how CODE now uses expendable Alpha clones to avoid retaliation (just rotate them out of frontline service for a month to avoid the kill rights). "Brave" indeed... And CODE is always calling out Carebears for being risk averse. Now if that isn't the kettle calling the pot black...

I could say they targeted me and my friends when we were new players... That continual wardecs drove us into NPC corporations at the time. I would even venture that if you started a thread with "I was a recent/past victim of CODE", that in between all the CODE propaganda and bullsh*t you would probably find more than a few new players relating thier stories. That is if they haven't quit and given up the game already...

is it? It's harder to go after bots flying the comically uneconomical to gank Skiffs and Procurers sure, but bots are exploded like everyone else, actually probably more given the robotic nature of their actions and their habit of undocking without repairing themselves (near perfect evidence of bottling seen still far too often in highsec).

Gankers are performing a community service. I know I would make more ISK doing anything else ganking in the name of the New Order. Miniluv ganks for profit indeed, but the imprudent fools they suss out are the ones most in need of being exploded. Together we provide the consequences for the worst behaviour: the lazy, AFKers and botters, and the greedy. Without us, fitting choices and various responsible hauling and mining behaviour would have no enforcement and thus the players who do take the time to protect themselves would not be rewarded by evading the gankers and filling the space of their reckless competitors.

As for new players I always, without prompting, reimburse a player I gank with less than 30 days in the game as Cannibal Kane commanded me to do so many years ago. Actually, that doesn't happen too often as usually I pass over such targets in the first place despite the fact that such engagement statistically correlates with a larger chance of them staying in the game. I don't have a problem with such behaviour - shooting each other is the point of the game - but I personally like to let new players get their feet wet before I interact with them in the shooty-shooty way given the number of years in the game I have now. That's just me though. From what CCP Rise said I probably should be ganking as many new players (and reimbursing them) as possible.

I am convinced that far, far more players have tried Eve and had nothing happened during their first weeks and months and quit, then have ever been chased off by being exploded. I know I quit the first time because nothing interesting happened during my first six months. Mining/missioning alone for some months is earth-shatteringly boring. It really is. Something, anything happening to new players is better than the alternative of a silent trial followed by a prompt unsubscription.

Still waiting, Arthur.

Actually, while I'm waiting, let me comment on your latest deposit.

Shuttles, Corvettes, Retrievers, Hulks and Ventures - are all ships flown by seasoned pilots, too. There are a number of reasons why a player might use them - a non-new player, I mean.

I gank new players. If they take it well or promise to come get me as soon as they can fly something better - I might indeed reimburse them (and with far more than the value of their ship and fittings, I might add). I also try to educate them about their surroundings.

The take-away is this: The player behind the avatar is not (usually) a babe-in-arms, or even a child. Don't treat him/her like one. If the player deals poorly with loss and disappointment, that's a matter for them, not me. If the situation allows it, I give Isk and advice; if the player throws a tantrum and wails about the unfairness of it all, why, I come back and grab the pod too!

Not really.

Roaming around highsec teaching players to fit their ships better to avoid the now zero-risk they would face (which they would if the New Order decided to hang up ganking and become only teachers) doesn't sound like a great plan. That would just make highsec safe and hasten the game's descent into stagnation and inertia.

The public service isn't teaching new players to better fit their ships. The public service is exploding the poorly fit and flown ships to the benefit of all the other players who do fit and fly their ships properly, and to do this with little or no personal gain.

I'd suggest you take a back seat for a while, Arthur. This is a 'Sunday' thread; none of us would be missed.

If, however, you insist on remaining to post what I must reluctantly - very reluctantly I assure you - describe as drivel, expect to be called out on it by your betters.

You are in danger of appearing to be very silly - which we all know is not the case.