EVE General Discussion

What are the reasons behind the current show of Hate-CSM threads? I've read the minutes with a lot more care than most people have(Trust me, i translated the whole thing) and i follow their blogs (some of them.. not all the blogs) but i don't see anything worth raging about.

I have nothing against any of them personally.. In the past, i did have a few things against some of them being in the position they are, but they've all earned my respect after all the impromtpu meetings last year. Besides, i can say that at least three of them really deserve being there.



Come on, i like being mad. I want to get mad too. Show me where the CSM have touched you

In all fairness, they're doing a good job and some of them actually care about the game and want to make it better.

Vote Darius III for CSM!

I do believe that all of them want ot make EVE a better game. Though i can't say theres even one of them that knows how to make it a better game in all aspects, naturally.

Like destructable outposts.. telling CCP not to make any new supercap.. these are two things i can think of the top of my head.


Can you ellaborate on what propositions you perceive as "promoting nullbears solidifying their empires"?


On a sidenote, i'm not really a Darius III fan, but i chuckled at the high-sec incursion bear griefing thing lol.

First, the fuel pellets that are going live promote nullbears (to the added expense and hassle of anyone who runs a POS but is not a nullbear)

The POCO change buffs nullbear PI income out of the pockets of highbears (I hate PI altogether and refuse to do it, but that doesn't make it less lame.)

The key point of destructible outposts is that they don't actually lose assets, just relocate them. And would be used as a griefing mechanic by the nullbears who...

got all their supercaps, conquered their territory with them, and now they are essentially being taken away from everybody BUT them. Consider: to get sov, you need supers. To get supers, you need sov. And any ability for supers to fight the blob was taken away and reworked to promote blobbing supers, which only nullbears can do.

nullbears wanting the "sh*t on WHers module" from the minutes, but only really stopped because there's a WHer on the CSM.

The nullbears "sh*tting on FWers" mechanic being added despite unanimous negative feedback from FWers. Unfortunately FWers don't have a CSM member, so FW is f*cked. I wonder if CCP can survive the upcoming mass unsubs from FWers, and if that will be enough to kill off the CSM as self serving lobbyists.

I'd have to dig through the list of CSM minutes again, but maybe 1 in 5 suggestions are for the good of the game, the rest are for the good of nullbears, and work to only solidify RMT streams. The CSM are sanctioned lobbyists, no more, no less. Lobbyists are the very definition of corruption.

Well said, but pointless to try to convince CSM fan boys and their minions as a logical argument is only countered by convoluted noise as it threatens there power base, RMT operations etc, best start writing CCP to dump CSM's time better spent.

really?

oh wait nobody knows who you are so you have nothing to stand on lmao

Know what the solution is if you don't like the specific items the CSM is pushing?

****in' vote.

I thought it was a slowly growing hate. Which started with maybe the pointlessness of one CSM that couldn't do much to effect change because "everything is already planned for the next 18 months".

I see Mittani as the next catalyst for the hate. Some of the things he said on forums may have gotten people angry about the CSM. His natural bias to promote his alliance and nullsec space and everyone elses dislike of anything Goon. The fact that a lot of people don't trust anything Goon and the leader of the Goons taking main position in the CSM. I don't really see the Goons or the Mittani as something bad for the game. Everyone is well aware of what a lot of people think of them tho. I would suggest that that it could be a negative thing for the CSM. Some may even see the CSM as a puppet of Mittani/Goons.

Then add in some unease about some of the things mentioned in the CSM minutes and planned updates. Alliances in FW, nerfing the drake, changes to incursions, and extra odd things like modules that change wormholes. People don't like change. They might blame the CSM for these things getting changed.


Little things add up and I don't believe that its any one thing that sparked this hate.

I would like to add that I doubt that the CSM had much control of anything negative that happened during the last year. Or the very least most of what happened would have happened if there were different people in the CSM or even if there wasn't a CSM.


I might be wrong about all of this. Feel free to correct me.

(quoting just to say that i'm replying to this guy, instead of the gentleman above me...)


Well, the point can be made that a lot of the bad things that happened last year had little to no input from the CSM at all.

From Sanctum nerf in march (while the new CSM was still organizing itself) to NeX pricing.


I' don't wish to go on a "null-sec vs high-sec" debate, but high-sec dwellers have little to complain about regarding 2011. High-sec dwellers have actually little to complain about the past 4 years, when compared to null-sec people as a matter of fact.



Truly though.. like i said i believe that there should be a better representation from wormhole and factional-warfare people. CCP should - for this next election - take into consideration that either by the very nature of the category (Wormhole) or by the fact that the category is fundamentally flawed (factional warfare), people who care about either of those things don't have the same voting power as those who play a different EVE. Which doesn't mean that they should go on without a proper representative (or representatives.. god knows there are too many nullsec CSM members in there already).


FW needs to be worked on so that it will attract more numbers. However, for it to be worked on it needs a voice in the CSM. And to get a voice in the CSM, it needs numbers to vote on a proper candidate. See the issue?!