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Drugs (Boosters)

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Arendan Khurelem
#1 - 2017-03-11 17:44:36 UTC
I'm curious to see how many people actually use boosters?
I imagine they are more commonly used in null?
Are FW entities using them often?

Do YOU use boosters?
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2017-03-11 17:50:14 UTC
many solo pvpers use them.
not sure if large null sec fleets use them too, pretty sure they don't.

Aves Asio
#3 - 2017-03-11 18:18:26 UTC
This world would be a better place if everyone was using drugs
Arendan Khurelem
#4 - 2017-03-11 19:20:16 UTC
I'm trying to figure out if booster manufacturing would be a worth while investment.
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2017-03-11 19:30:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Soel Reit
it is imo!
specially if you start to selling them near amamake etc.
FW and low sec, then obviously Jita and main trade hubs

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=7171
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/jowen/ATAP_booster_production_v1.1.pdf
Neuntausend
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2017-03-11 19:56:32 UTC
Now that they are legal in Highsec, there is no reason to not use them anywhere. If you are flying in a big and slow blob, it would probably not make all that much of a difference, but in smallscale or solo situations, they are simply great. I myself use them whenever they make sense for the ship I fly.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#7 - 2017-03-11 20:00:04 UTC
Should be, they're awesome, especially when paired with maxed boosts and hg implants
boosters would be considerably better if they were cheeper.
Strong blue pills are (or were last I checked anyway) rather expensive for everyday use, like faction module expensive.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#8 - 2017-03-11 20:09:03 UTC
Any solo or small gang fleet I use them, as do all the other guys I fly with.

Anything more than about 20 ships, I don't bother unless I'm in a specific role (eg. I'll use Quade Zero if I'm a scout/tackle).
Arendan Khurelem
#9 - 2017-03-11 21:05:32 UTC
Thanks for the info guys :) I'll give it a shot and work up some plans tonight.
Arendan Khurelem
#10 - 2017-03-11 22:39:16 UTC
Actually, another question. What seems to be a more popular choice in booster? Synth, Standard, Improved, Strong?
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2017-03-11 22:44:50 UTC
don't forget sleepers drugs too... the ones without penalties...
you need to do a market research i suppose :)
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#12 - 2017-03-11 23:33:58 UTC
Arendan Khurelem wrote:
Actually, another question. What seems to be a more popular choice in booster? Synth, Standard, Improved, Strong?

Really an issue of wallet.

Standards normally run 2-4 million
Improved normally run 8-12 million
Strong normally run 24-28 million

I often find that when I take a standard, I usually get 0 or 1 side effect and it's often a side effect that has no real impact, but when I take improved I'll get 0 or >1 side effect and then it can be a PITA. So I usually use standard, but occasionally improved.
Arendan Khurelem
#13 - 2017-03-11 23:44:05 UTC
Thank you. Would you advise starting with loads of Synth, and heavy on Standard, before moving into the Improved and Strong?
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#14 - 2017-03-11 23:50:50 UTC
Well I wrote a long and rambling post that I call a 'back button' post. haha! I do want to answer your questions though as best I can. I used to work as a saleswoman for a Pharmaceutical corporation called Akheretu Integrated Astrometrics, they were based in a C2 wormhole and part of the Es and Whizz alliance.

Arendan Khurelem wrote:
I'm curious to see how many people actually use boosters?
I imagine they are more commonly used in null?
Are FW entities using them often?

Do YOU use boosters?


The booster users I ran into were always mains, and your Hollyweird highsec mercs, or lowsec characters, some very space famous! More than half my orders were individual solo lowsec pirate types and the other half would be huge corporate or alliance level orders.

To learn how these things worked, I used a Standard Exile once and ended up getting a ton of side effects so I just kinda kept to myself tripping out in Captain's Quarters. I didn't care for it personally. YMMV Blink There's some good info out there - I wish I kept some of the graphics we had internally or screenshotted some of our forum posts. We had terrific internal guides.

Arendan Khurelem wrote:
I'm trying to figure out if booster manufacturing would be a worth while investment.


The short answer is: No. Most orders were of the Standard version of the pills and the margins were extremely razor thin Smile We produced them and always hoped they'd order any other version. Sometimes you can sweet talk them into a couple Improved versions.

I was lucky to not have any corporate roles because this is Eve - I only had to help people set up WTB (Want to Buy) contracts but I have no idea how we could manage the flood of orders we got. Honestly, we couldn't keep up, we were often backlogged. (We had to use WTB contracts because of clunky and bad game mechanics)

My corp bought back ANYTHING I mined, even if it was booster gas we didn't need. Stockpile everything!

And what I know now is completely upside down now that you can haul these things without any trouble legality-wise.

Arendan Khurelem wrote:
Actually, another question. What seems to be a more popular choice in booster? Synth, Standard, Improved, Strong?


Standard is the.. standard without a doubt. Like I said before, razor thin margins. Smile

I think if you could get into something where you produced one type of booster and could sell it off wholesale, you'd be better off. It was very difficult keeping every kind of booster in stock and ready for delivery.

@lunettelulu7

Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#15 - 2017-03-11 23:56:23 UTC
Arendan Khurelem wrote:
Thank you. Would you advise starting with loads of Synth, and heavy on Standard, before moving into the Improved and Strong?


I joined something that was already very established so I'm not sure what it would be like to start something on my own. I did some experimenting with a friend making our own Blue Pills and it's been a while since we did this but there's like 3-4 different gas sites, with 1 of them being more like a combat site. You need a good Gila to run it solo, and then you gotta get back to it to hack the containers to get the reaction bits and 50 run pill BPC's and etc. Back then I used a Stratios exclusively and it was a struggle at my level.

You are likely to see way more of the Synth and Standard in the empire regions. You gotta be your best ninja in null.

Stockpile, stockpile.

@lunettelulu7

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#16 - 2017-03-12 00:04:37 UTC
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#17 - 2017-03-12 00:07:51 UTC
Nana Skalski wrote:
I have some seasoned dandruff from a gas site. I can share if you need some. P


Yeah there's a lot of really funny and odd items that drop in those sites Smile

@lunettelulu7

StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
#18 - 2017-03-12 13:40:38 UTC
I dont do drugs. Its a plant. It grows like that. But if you just so happen to set it on fire... Ohwait you meant boosters.

Boosters are legal everywhere now. So there may be a few more instances of them being used more often than before but it still seems to be a niche thing.

Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.

Endecroix
Doomheim
#19 - 2017-03-12 17:48:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Endecroix
Lulu has given you some advice from her time with Charlinda in AIA. However, I would add a few further things. Boosters seem a good idea but most of the stuff written about them was done pre-legalisation. These days therefore there is no mystique they are just another trade commodity and are treated as such. You would be competing against established trading entities who have direct access to the gas and the BPCs. Unless you can directly source the gas and the BPCs yourself at competitive rates it's not going to be worth your while and even then you are going to struggle. Lulu will vouch for the hassle her CEO went through (Charlinda) trying to do this and even with his efforts he still consistently needed the help of Es and Whizz to meet his goals. He was one of the hardest most dedicated players I've met in this game and even he fell short with help. Just something to bear in mind - low profit, stiff competition, and a hell of a lot of work. I used to run Es and Whizz for a bit - I know all the little secrets, I have all the contacts, and yet I don't manufacture boosters - that should tell you something!
Soel Reit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2017-03-12 17:53:11 UTC
Endecroix wrote:
Lulu has given you some advice from her time with Charlinda in AIA. However, I would add a few further things. Boosters seem a good idea but most of the stuff written about them was done pre-legalisation. These days therefore there is no mystique they are just another trade commodity and are treated as such. You would be competing against established trading entities who have direct access to the gas and the BPCs. Unless you can directly source the gas and the BPCs yourself at competitive rates it's not going to be worth your while and even then you are going to struggle. Lulu will vouch for the hassle her CEO went through (Charlinda) trying to do this and even with his efforts he still consistently needed the help of Es and Whizz to meet his goals. He was one of the hardest most dedicated players I've met in this game and even he fell short with help. Just something to bear in mind - low profit, stiff competition, and a hell of a lot of work. I used to run Es and Whizz for a bit - I know all the little secrets, I have all the contacts, and yet I don't manufacture boosters - that should tell you something!


i see, discouraging the competition... nice strat Pirate
jk Cool

op i recommend you to try it out by yourself, at least to learn something new: you're always in time to let it go :)
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