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Idea: Catch-Up Training
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Kassimila
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2017-03-06 17:01:54 UTC
So I had an idea that would help some of us older players. Many of us have played eve off and on for years, sometimes allowing our subscriptions to lapse. The idea is to allow these players to purchase missed months of subscriptions and be allocated a specific and fair amount of unallocated skill points for that month. Lets say 1,250,000. Sold characters should have their birthdate changed to the sell date for the purpose of this program.

I think this would be a great way to encourage older players to return to the game, as well as give CCP some additional cash flow.

I realize some of you are going to mention that skill injectors are a thing, however for older characters the cost to SP ratio makes the use of skill injectors not worthwhile.

Thoughts?
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2017-03-06 17:20:09 UTC
You are aware of injectors.
No -1 to the idea

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#3 - 2017-03-06 17:20:57 UTC
no. skill injectors are bad enough. we don't need more ways to instantly get skillpoints.
mkint
#4 - 2017-03-06 17:30:04 UTC
I suspect this would be badly balanced and encourage botting. If it gets much use at all. Smells a little like P2W. I think it would appeal primarily to the p2w people, people who forgot why they left, dump a bunch of $ to get "caught up" then remember why they quit in the first place and just leave again. Or encourage people to chase the FOTM, which always makes the game less fun for everybody else, and they'll just quit again when their FOTM ship gets the inevitable nerf.

As far as a business model, this smells a little like Alphas... it would attract people for a short time, maybe yield a short financial burst, but not change the direction of the game. With the possibility of permanently souring people on the game ossifying the current trend.

As far as the in-game economy, you seem to want the price point to be cheaper than injectors which would create a massive supply of cheap unwanted SP available to extract from every old disposable trial alt, driving injector prices down. Might also drive plex prices up, if plex were an option for this and not just $.

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Kassimila
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2017-03-06 18:18:56 UTC
mkint wrote:
I suspect this would be badly balanced and encourage botting. If it gets much use at all. Smells a little like P2W. I think it would appeal primarily to the p2w people, people who forgot why they left, dump a bunch of $ to get "caught up" then remember why they quit in the first place and just leave again. Or encourage people to chase the FOTM, which always makes the game less fun for everybody else, and they'll just quit again when their FOTM ship gets the inevitable nerf.

As far as a business model, this smells a little like Alphas... it would attract people for a short time, maybe yield a short financial burst, but not change the direction of the game. With the possibility of permanently souring people on the game ossifying the current trend.

As far as the in-game economy, you seem to want the price point to be cheaper than injectors which would create a massive supply of cheap unwanted SP available to extract from every old disposable trial alt, driving injector prices down. Might also drive plex prices up, if plex were an option for this and not just $.



You make some excellent points. Perhaps the better option here is to change the injection table for high SP characters, and allow them to catch up that way?
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#6 - 2017-03-06 18:35:29 UTC
Kassimila wrote:
You make some excellent points. Perhaps the better option here is to change the injection table for high SP characters, and allow them to catch up that way?


Why should a high SP player who has been unsubscribed for months or years get an easy way to "catch up"?
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2017-03-06 18:45:12 UTC
I have about five years of training 'missing' on my oldest and lowest skilled account. Are you sure that giving me 75 million extra SP with no drawbacks of any kind is a good idea?
Kassimila
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2017-03-06 19:13:55 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
I have about five years of training 'missing' on my oldest and lowest skilled account. Are you sure that giving me 75 million extra SP with no drawbacks of any kind is a good idea?


No drawbacks? At 20 bucks a month, that would be $1,200. If you want to spend your rent on a game, who am I to stop you?
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#9 - 2017-03-06 19:23:24 UTC
Kassimila wrote:
No drawbacks? At 20 bucks a month, that would be $1,200. If you want to spend your rent on a game, who am I to stop you?


So you support more "pay too win" in the game?
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2017-03-06 19:41:18 UTC
Kassimila wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
I have about five years of training 'missing' on my oldest and lowest skilled account. Are you sure that giving me 75 million extra SP with no drawbacks of any kind is a good idea?


No drawbacks? At 20 bucks a month, that would be $1,200. If you want to spend your rent on a game, who am I to stop you?


If £600 covered rent, this would be a better world.

But that's a diversion. Pay to win is not a good thing. Please explain why you want more of it.
Kassimila
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2017-03-06 20:29:39 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Kassimila wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
I have about five years of training 'missing' on my oldest and lowest skilled account. Are you sure that giving me 75 million extra SP with no drawbacks of any kind is a good idea?


No drawbacks? At 20 bucks a month, that would be $1,200. If you want to spend your rent on a game, who am I to stop you?


If £600 covered rent, this would be a better world.

But that's a diversion. Pay to win is not a good thing. Please explain why you want more of it.


I mean you're saying "Pay-to-win", but having SPs doesn't win you anything. If anything it increases your options of what you can pilot, you still need the isk to buy ships. I person can already drop $$$ get plexes, sell plexes, get injectors, and max every skill in the game. It's already been done. This game is about team play, not what one pilot can do.

Regardless of all that. Had this hypothetical old toon been training the entire time, they would have far more SP than this suggestion would provide them with. So I don't see the 'pay-to-win' difference. Unless you consider subbing an account 'paying to win' .
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#12 - 2017-03-06 20:38:28 UTC
Kassimila wrote:
I mean you're saying "Pay-to-win", but having SPs doesn't win you anything. If anything it increases your options of what you can pilot, you still need the isk to buy ships. I person can already drop $$$ get plexes, sell plexes, get injectors, and max every skill in the game. It's already been done. This game is about team play, not what one pilot can do.

Regardless of all that. Had this hypothetical old toon been training the entire time, they would have far more SP than this suggestion would provide them with. So I don't see the 'pay-to-win' difference. Unless you consider subbing an account 'paying to win' .


Then buy plex and buy injectors. This idea simply adds SPs into the game out of thin air. At least with injectors SPs have to be destroyed to get them.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#13 - 2017-03-07 08:34:57 UTC
Kassimila wrote:
...I mean you're saying "Pay-to-win", but having SPs doesn't win you anything. If anything it increases your options of what you can pilot, you still need the isk to buy ships. I person can already drop $$$ get plexes, sell plexes, get injectors, and max every skill in the game. It's already been done. This game is about team play, not what one pilot can do.

Regardless of all that. Had this hypothetical old toon been training the entire time, they would have far more SP than this suggestion would provide them with. So I don't see the 'pay-to-win' difference. Unless you consider subbing an account 'paying to win' .


More eyes see more and what you don't see doesn't mean, we don't see right through you.

It's not funny how many times we told the world that lobotomy sticks are a terrible idea and noobs should not be catered to by those gimmicks and who has the "biggest" credit card.

In EvE you play time and time plays you and if you stay long enough you may or not age enough to fathom what you are proposing.

No! /thread

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Wolfgang Jannesen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2017-03-07 13:39:27 UTC
I'm with the rest of the thread, unless you were subscribed and training you shouldn't get those skills, and if you want those skills then injectors already exist.
Kassimila
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2017-03-10 21:28:04 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Kassimila wrote:
...I mean you're saying "Pay-to-win", but having SPs doesn't win you anything. If anything it increases your options of what you can pilot, you still need the isk to buy ships. I person can already drop $$$ get plexes, sell plexes, get injectors, and max every skill in the game. It's already been done. This game is about team play, not what one pilot can do.

Regardless of all that. Had this hypothetical old toon been training the entire time, they would have far more SP than this suggestion would provide them with. So I don't see the 'pay-to-win' difference. Unless you consider subbing an account 'paying to win' .


More eyes see more and what you don't see doesn't mean, we don't see right through you.

It's not funny how many times we told the world that lobotomy sticks are a terrible idea and noobs should not be catered to by those gimmicks and who has the "biggest" credit card.

In EvE you play time and time plays you and if you stay long enough you may or not age enough to fathom what you are proposing.

No! /thread


I've been playing this game off and on since 2005. You couldn't just 'credit card' this idea, it would only help returning players with long standing accounts. It doesn't help 'noobs' at all. At least read the flipping idea before shooting it down.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#16 - 2017-03-11 07:38:22 UTC
Kassimila wrote:
...I've been playing this game off and on since 2005. You couldn't just 'credit card' this idea, it would only help returning players with long standing accounts. It doesn't help 'noobs' at all. At least read the flipping idea before shooting it down.


Cool, I have been here since fall 2006 and been here the whole time. I saw many changes and read many opinions in the last decade or close to 3800 days.

Your idea is bad and you should feel bad.

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
#17 - 2017-03-11 14:21:58 UTC
Kassimila wrote:
I've been playing this game off and on since 2005. You couldn't just 'credit card' this idea, it would only help returning players with long standing accounts. It doesn't help 'noobs' at all. At least read the flipping idea before shooting it down.


It definitely would help noobs. Do you really think there aren't a ton of people who tried EVE for a month 8 years ago and never picked it up again? This gives them an immediate way to boost skills beyond what a newbie should have.

Just because we don't like this idea doesn't mean we didn't read it. You're a 2005 character. I assume you're proposing this idea because you took a break for a few years and want an easy way to get more skillpoints. yeah?