EVE General Discussion

By the way for what it's worth. I've lived in low sec until recently. I was there 99% of the time for the last 5 years. I didn't mind it much once you learn the ropes but it sure would be cool if there was something special about it that made it truly unique.

From someone like you, I was expecting an answer like that. I was more interested in the guy I quoted for example. Part of the issue for CCP to "fixing" this is that something will have to eat a bat and nobody really know players will react to this bat. You hit people in low and null with the nerf bat, they are people who already are used to adapting at least in part to situation changing. They "live" in environment where adapting is essentially the norm. Batting high-sec is different. Yes there are indeed a certain amount of character there who will probably just adapt becuse they are used to by being null/low/WH alts and even that comes with a "but". How many people actually adapt in low/null/WH because of how HS is right now is an unknown right now. Will they move their alt? Abandon it? Say screw that I can't sustain myself with HS anymore?

The other one part is the true HS player. The one who isn't someone's alt. This guy sure as hell isn't the type to adapt or at least haven't really demonstrated it. What will he do when the swing goes in?

The last unknown is how many are in each of those sets? CCP has to analyse this and think real hard about it because while the game still has momentum and a active player base, it really has to make sure it has a way to replace the normal MMO player bleed in one way or another. Forgetting the "I quit because you nerfed/buffed X", you still have to renew your base for because no matter how good your game is, your player will go away at some point for varied reason that might be 100% unrelated to the game itself.

So we've now come full circle with all indicators pointing to null-sec as being at the root of a lot of problems in the game. i wonder if everyone was forced to join a null-sec corporation or alliance if that would actually improve the game...

I...I just don't know what to say. It must be so hard for an obligate high-sec player to adapt to not having income which overshadows most of the rest of the game. Why, with all the expenses and dangers that go a long with living in HS, HS income should be competitive with the rest of the game, right?

Income is there to create content with - to start fights, to give the impetus for conflict. It makes for a terrible, unhealthy game when some of the best income is in the safest space, and there's both no way to fight over it, and places that can foster open conflict are relatively impoverished.

I spend a lot of my time in low sec and find it quite enjoyable. Some things I would change to make low sec a better place:


Remove station and gate guns. I prefer solo, frigate pvp, but have to pass on a lot of fights because of gate guns.

Reduce or eliminate loss of sec status penalty, especially for podding.

Eliminate the ability to use stabs in plexes, plex farmers doesn't add content to the game imo.

No supers allowed

Give low sec only, bonuses for booster manu.

Move 50% of high sec ice belts to low sec

Increase low sec ore belts to include Gneiss and Ochre

Reduce taxes for NPC stations in low sec to encourage manufacturing and research


I really only care about the first two, but wanted to give support to some earlier ideas.

No cynos in LS.

Run the gates like everyone else.

The question I'd like to ask dedicated high sec players is simply...how much income do you actually need?

Assuming a reasonably clued-up HS player who knows how to avoid ganks/ baiting etc. just how much isk income is needed to buy "stuff" that is never really going to need replacing?

That's the issue with risk/ reward in HS. It's annoying to me that those who conduct their affairs in the safest space in the game, also have unnecessarily high rewards. Meanwhile those who take risks in more dangerous space will generally have a lower return, or at least a far less reliable return, on their time.

Again, in my case that's a choice I make based on the enjoyment I get from trying to make isk while avoiding those who would take it from me....but for those who look more towards the bottom line the choice to stay in high sec is pretty much a no-brainer.

This just seems out of balance. Personally I'd not so much like to see content removed from high sec (incursions and the like), just tone down the rewards. Players can then still do the things they want to do while making a more balanced return on their time investment. If they want a better return, then they will need to take risks. I think a fair few would actually do this. Not every HS player is a carebear...but a lot of them are good at math, and if the numbers don't add up in low sec then why bother.

Low sec could also be looked at from the view of adding new, perhaps unique, content specifically tailored to fit in with the risks that exist there. Content that focuses on smaller ships, used with care, that can match the income of Lvl 4 mission running. Or if used with extreme success, match incursion isk, with a reasonable level of reliability. Exploration is close, but still a little random.

I'd leave. I did the null sec thing a couple times. First as a newbie and I ran 30 jumps with my @$$ on fire. The second time was BORING! 100+ ship fleets... ALIGN, WARP,ALIGN, WARP.... as the saying goes, the view only changes for the lead dog of a sled team.

People need to get it, nobody will leave high-sec by force. They won't, so stop.

People also need to understand that **ANY** change to the game mechanics is going to be exploited by the large groups. If nothing else, a brief reading of the history of the GOONS will show that to be true.

I took a three year break from EVE because they were aiming towards forcing group play. I hated that, I liked to 'live in the cracks'. If the day came where you logged in and had to choose between the RED or BLUE team I would log off. Anybody preaching that players MUST go down a certain road after a certain time is PART OF THE PROBLEM*

-MadMuppet

*If you are part of the problem, you will be nerfed.

Please keep low-sec. I don't want to be forced into tidi gameplay.

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